How to Find All the Liliths in Your Birth Chart

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There are four Liliths

Dark Moon Lilith, Black Moon Lilith, osculating Lilith and asteroid Lilith. Only Asteroid Lilith is an actual physical body. Two of the Liliths are theoretical points. The Waldemath Black Moon may or may not be a real body. Then there is the fixed star Algol which is also associated with Lilith.

    Black Moon Lilith glyph
    Black Moon Lilith is also known as Mean Lilith. This Lilith uses the average orbit of the theoretical Black Moon.
    Asteroid Lilith glyphAsteroid Lilith is the only Lilith that is an actual, verifiable physical body.
    Osculating Lilith is also called True Lilith. Her orbit oscillates wildly. This Lilith uses the real orbit of the Black Moon. This is another theoretical point. Some people, like Juan Antonio Revilla, believe that she is the most important Lilith and most accurately portrays Lilith’s uncontrollable nature.
    dark moon lilith glyphDark Moon Lilith is also called the Waldemath Black Moon. Some people have claimed to have seen this Moon, but those claims cannot be substantiated.

To find your Liliths

Go to Astro.com, free horoscopes, extended chart selection and scroll to the bottom of the page. Copy and paste these numbers into the empty box on the bottom left side of the screen:

1181, h13, h21, h58

Press “Click here to show the chart.”

  • Asteroid Lilith: 1181
  • Osculating Lilith/ True Lilith: h13
  • Black Moon Lilith/ Mean Lilith: h21
  • Dark Moon Lilith/ Waldemath Black Moon: h58

The fixed star Algol is at a fairly steady 26 Taurus. Algol is a star in the head of Medusa in the constellation Perseus.

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  • http://astra-lilith.blogspot.com/ Marina

    Hi Marina from Lilith Pages here,
    The glyph for Dark moon Lilith is a sort of oval on its side with a slash thru it. That’s cool you have Sun conjunct Black moon Lilith in Aries. It’s kinda like my Black moon Lilith conjunct Mars. Feisty!!! The more people that talk about Lilith the better. Thanks for referencing me. Knowledge is Lilith Power:)))

    • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

      Thanks for stopping by Marina, I like your blog very much :DWhen we share our individual experiences of Lilith and other bodies, and explore their role in the lives of famous examples, we gain specific working knowledge of how these asteroids and planets impact us natally, and by transit.

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle
  • http://WWW.funkastrology.co.uk/ Marina

    Hi Marina here again. I have changed the url for The Lilith Pages. The old one will no longer work for the article you mentioned mentioned above.
    Its now: http://lilithpages.blogspot.com/
    New Blog on Asteroid lilith coming soon! Then I’m going to write a more detailed one about ALL three Liliths as a summary.

    • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

      HI Marina, thank you for the update :)

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  • jjasonham

    Do all these points have a similar meaning?

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    They vary, but I don't want to get into the meanings for this post. I'm keeping it simple to start- plus, I want to read up some more before I write about them :D

  • jjasonham

    Haha. That was a bit of a heavy question!

  • http://www.facebook.com/christine.truong1 Christine Truong

    Crazy! Yeah, when you get a chance, definitely write about what all of these things mean.

    I've got the asteroid Lilith in Aquarius, conjunct my NN, opposite my SN and conjunct my Leo Moon. Osculating Lilith is at 1 degree Scorpio in 1H. I've got a Pluto/Juno/Black Moon Lilith stellium on my 1st/2nd house cusp. That I definitely identify w/ some time. :) Waldemath's at 19 degrees Leo. Interesting! :D

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    Lol..yeah…not really something I can cover in a few sentences :D

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    Lol..yeah…not really something I can cover in a few sentences :D

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    Lol..yeah…not really something I can cover in a few sentences :D

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    Lol..yeah…not really something I can cover in a few sentences :D

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    Transiting Venus is conjunct your Waldemath today.

    That Pluto/Juno/BML conjunction certainly adds intereseting elements to your 2nd house.

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    I edited Waldermath to Waldemath- I can't believe I misspelled it in the post. There's no R.

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    Where are your Liliths?

  • jjasonham

    Asteroid Lilith: 8 Cancer (Currently being opposed by Pluto and conjunct my progressed Sun at 7 Cancer)
    True Lilith: 11 Aquarius (Trine my 11 Gem Sun/Mars!)
    BML: 12 Aquarius
    Wald.: 18 Gemini

    True Lilith and BML are opposing my 6 Leo Asc. The opposite of those points is called Priapus, and the description of that point literally floored me when I first saw it. It completely describes a very primal, “bare-bones” me. My plutonian nature was able to accept it at an early age, before I was able to minimize the negative aspects.

    “Lilith's opposite point is called Priapus; it is the Lunar perigee, the position where the Moon is closest to the Earth. It symbolizes man's primitive nature, the horror hidden in our deepest self; masochism, extreme sensuality, impulsiveness, irrationality and excess. Physically speaking, the Dark Moon is the focal point unoccupied by the Earth: it is not a concrete body but a mathematical point.”

    Funkastrology has some interesting Lilith descriptions.

    Where are your Liliths?

  • gracehoper

    People differ even on the meanings of particular Liliths! The only Lilith I use is Black Moon Lilith/Priapus (as a pole) with BML meaning deception and Priapus (which I've always known as Unicorn) as truth. It's really interesting in Mundane Astrology.

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    I didn't want to address Priapus, Algol or the apogee in this post. The Liliths are so confusing, I want to wait to add more detail.

    Yes, Funkastrology has lots of good info on Lilith- so does Astrology by Kingsley (check out his Lilith Edits).

    Having True Lilith and Black Moon Lilith conjunct is uncommon. You might be interested in listening to the latest Goddess Astrology Podcast about Lilith (with Kelley M. Hunter).

    Hmmm…I should have put all these links in the post. Maybe I'll edit it in the morning- I'm too tired now :)

    BML: 17 Aries/ 8th house
    Osc. Lilith: 3 Taurus/ 9th house
    Walde: 29 Leo/ 12th house
    Lilith: 27 Scorpio/ 3rd house

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    I don't do much mundane astrology.

    I have ideas about the possible meanings but I want to take the time to look at real charts. I haven't done much with Priapus yet. I've read bits and pieces of info about the idea of the unicorn but not enough yet.

  • jjasonham

    The Liliths can be confusing. I can't wait to see your post on them.

    Thanks for the links! I'll check them out. (I admit, I'm a bit of a link fiend…I'll step away from the copy link address button..)

  • JChristine

    A little confusing, but here we go!

    Asteroid Lilith at 14 Cap in the First house, trine Taurus North Node in the Fourth, trine black moon lilith & Osc. lilith, sqaure dark moon lilith.

    Osc. Lilith & Black Moon Lilith exactly conjunct at 16 Taurus, but they straddle the house line. Osc. is in the 4th and Black Moon in the 5th by a few seconds. Both Conjunct the North Node at 8 Taurus. Both square my Jupiter at 15 Aquarius in the second house.

    Dark Moon Lilith in the Third at 14 Aries conjunct my IC at 20 Aries. Trine my Uranus Venus conjunction at 18 Sag in the 12th, and sextile my Jupiter at 15 Aquarius in the second house.

    I guess the Liliths are pretty active in my chart, can't wait to see the connections!

    Janelle :)

  • http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/ec_winton/TheChart.gif Erika

    Asteroid Lilith at 29 Leo – 7th house
    True Lilith at 10 Virgo – 8th house, conjunct NN and trine Vesta
    Black Moon Lilith at 5 Virgo – 8th house
    Dark Moon Lilith at 17 Libra – 9th house, conjunct Pluto and sextile Jupiter

    I haven't really studied the Liliths, this should be interesting…

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    The conjunction of osculating Lilith and Black Moon Lilith is significant, especially because they are in the same degree.

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    Your True Lilith and BML are close too. They can be separated by up to 30 degrees and are often in two different signs.

    Your Asteroid Lilith is conjunct my Dark Moon and your True Lilith conjoins my Ascendant- exact :D

  • tatiana.larina

    Can we just bow down to the inevitable and start calling Dark Moon Lilith Voldemort? Mine is conjunct Saturn and involved in my grand Cardinal Cross. Should I be scared of The-One-Who-Should-Not-Be-Named

  • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

    That really made me laugh. I love the idea of calling Waldemath, Voldemort!

  • LB

    After our recent chat about Lilith(s), I thought I should comment here. I have BM Lilith/Sedna in Aries in my 8th, and both are less than 5 degrees away from my 8th house South Node. BM Lilith/Sedna are exactly opposite my 2nd house Sun, which is within a few degrees of my Venus/North Node.

    Osculating Lilith is exactly conjunct my Eris, in Aries/8th house, and both are exactly opposite my 2nd house Ceres — these two are part of a mystic rectangle involving my MC/Aldebaran and IC (all in the same degree). This Lilith is about 17 degrees away from BM Lilith.

    Dark Moon Lilith (Waldemath) is conjunct (-3) my 6th house Chiron in Aquarius, which opposes my 12th house Uranus.

    Asteroid Lilith is exactly conjunct my 3rd house Jupiter in Scorpio, which is conjunct my Mercury/Neptune. Asteroid Lilith/Jupiter forms a Yod with my Gemini MC/Adlebaran and Aries Osculating Lilith/Eris. Asteroid Lilith/Jupiter/Mercury/Neptune also square my 5th house Aquarius Moon.

    It’s a lot of Lilith energy. Okay, I have a weird question for you Michelle . . . with BM Lilith conjunct your Sun, do you ever dream of owls?

    • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

      You do have a lot of aspects with the Liliths. We have another similarity which is that my osculating Lilith is exactly conjunct Sedna (both also conjunct Jupiter, all within one degree).

      No, I don’t dream about owls that much – do you?

      • LB

        No, I don’t either, but I did dream of them before I learned about Lilith. The reason I asked is that I know someone else with strong Sun/Lilith connections involving her 8th (like us), and she’s had several dreams/experiences related to owls; she’s not big into astrology (or its archetypes), so I found it kind of interesting (and coincidental).

        That’s funny about the Sedna connection.

        • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

          I dream about many different animals. A few “unique” animals include black panthers, jaguars, every type of bear (black bear, brown bear, grizzly bear, polar bear, koala bear, panda bear, etc…), rabbits like mad, wolves…

          There’s a whole bunch but the black panther always puts me in awe.

          • LB

            That’s pretty wild, Michelle; I rarely dream of animals, but when I do, I always consider them significant. Do you have a prominent Diana, and/or is Diana located in one of the water houses? That would be my purely amateurish guess, based on my own experiences with that particular asteroid. :)

            Sometimes I miss your replies because for some reason, I’m not able to subscribe to comments.

            • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

              Wow, really? I dream about animals in almost every dream. Pretty wild lol… Diana is just one more thing I have in Aries in the 8th house. It’s 12 Aries, conjunct Eris at 13 Aries (both trine Neptune at 13 Sag in the 4th house).

              • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

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              • LB

                Every dream??? Yowzer – lol! Your placements do make sense though, especially considering the trine to 4th house Neptune – at least in my humble opinion. Transits and progressions to your natal Eris/Diana must be interesting and/or scary. I was once chased by a big, wild bear and I’ve yet to figure out the transits. Is your Neptune conjunct the “Great Attractor”?

                Your placements trine my Anti-Vertex/Reiki at 12/13 Leo.

                Thanks for the tip about subscribing. Let’s see what happens. :) I’m optimistic.

                • Michelle

                  I missed this comment…

                  Wow, I didn’t realize my Neptune was conjunct the Great Attractor. The GA is 14 Sagittarius 02′ and my Neptune is 13 Sagittarius 49′. Thank you for pointing out something new!

                  We have a lot of bizarre connections. My 12th house cusp is 13 Leo 33′.

                  People born with the Sun, Moon, ascendant or another important planet close to, or aspecting, this point will often find that they have a polarizing effect on people around them, making unusually close friends and intense enemies as well. They can give the impression that they hold the key to the mystery of the universe, correctly or not.

                  “The perception is that people on the Great Attractor have unusual appeal or potency. They find themselves in vast circles, accidentally. Or they have impacted masses of people and think they have created no influence in their lives whatsoever,” he said.
                  Philip Sedgwick quoted by Eric Francis: http://ericfrancis.com/sagittarius/sagittarius10.html

                  http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

                  • LB

                    Actually Michelle, your Neptune is probably even closer to the Great Attractor. When I was born (many, many Moons ago) it was at 13 Sag 22, which is exactly trine (to the minute) my Reiki. Not that a trine means much – I don’t think. Try going to serennu.com to find its exact position when you were born. Astrologer Robert Hand has it conjunct his Sun.

                    Btw, my 12th house cusp is within about a degree of your 12th house cusp, with my Uranus (and Vertex, Reiki) nearby.

                    • Michelle

                      That position of the Great Attractor at 14 Sag 02′ is for right now, the Great Attractor at my time of birth was 13 Sagittarius 38′. My Neptune is almost equidistant from both degrees at 13 Sag 49′.

                  • Urumtsug

                    Interesting. I have Venus at 13,36. Pars Fortunae is not far, at 17,17 and Mercury is at 18,39. Yes, I have felt like an alien. Having BML 0,33 degrees off my Sun may have something to do with it too, though.

                    • Michelle

                      I’m not sure those aspects have to do with feeling like an alien. I have Sun conjunct BML as well. I tend to think it’s more about being absolutely uncompromising or feeling the need to bow down to authority. Also, Black Moon Lilith shows the capacity to be a raging bitch – in men and women.

                      Feelings of alienation seem more like Saturn, Uranus, 11th house and Aquarius problems. Aquarius or Uranus in the 4th house for example could make a person feel alienated from their family. Saturn in the 11th could make a person a loner.

                    • Urumtsug

                      Well, according to that Eric Francis link they do have that effect. I’d expect this to be further amplified by the GA stellium being the focal point of a bunch of T-squares. Add some oppositions to the NN and Vertex, plus trines to Eris and MC; what you get is an area of great gravity on top of an area of great gravity. If this had no effect on the alienation, I’d be greatly surprised.

                      As for Lilith, I have a hunch that says a lot of women react to the Lilith on my Sun with aversion. I suspect they see in my Lilith all the worst qualities of their own Lilith, which may not be as well under control as my Capricornian Lilith. I don’t bitch or rage unless somebody deliberately forces me to. Also, I have Saturn in Pisces restricting uncontrollable emotional responses through an opposition to my Leo MC forming a T-square against my Scorpio Moon, which conjuncts Neptune. The result is a Lilith capable of making women shun me for whatever it is they see might be wrong with me, while unable to make me realize that wrongness in practice. I can still disrespect authority to a potentially unhealthy degree, but mainly express this in words or indifference rather than direct action. I’m not impressed by uniforms and fancy titles I find ridiculous, like calling yourself Emperor of China, when you’re obviously just a monkey in a suit. Running into blatant abuse of authority or bullying, however, is a whole different story. Defiance will soon be followed by sharp words, Plutonian voices and if the opposition still is stupid enough not to make oneself scarce, his Judgement Day comes way before 2012. 

                      My 11th house is empty. Uranus is opposite the 4th. Saturn is in the 4th. Aquarius’ three last degrees are in the 4th, but that’s not much.

                • Michelle

                  It’s been a while, but did you know that the bear can be a symbol of your mother? My bear dreams got intense when Pluto transited my 4th house. I resolved lots of mommy issues.

  • http://twitter.com/aycelina Aycelina

    My lillith is in capricon in 7 house opposition to my moon in cancer in the first house. One of the astrologer friend told me that if I had given a birth a child he/she may be dead in early ages or in giving birth because of this pozition… is it true….

    • Michelle

      is it true
      I have no idea. That’s an awfully drastic thing to tell someone. I don’t know how he/she came to that conclusion.