Saturn/Neptune Aspects

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Marilyn Monroe: Saturn in Scorpio square Neptune in Leo

Turning dreams into reality. The realities of fantasy. Practical dreamers. Practical fantasies. Taking concrete steps to realize your dreams. Envisioning your ideal world and taking the steps to create that world. Dissolving reality. Teaching how to dream. Dream instructors. Dream makers. Dreaming your life. Making it up as you go along. Pretending. Creating illusions in plain sight. The fantasy, in plain sight. What is real and what is an illusion? Real life is an illusion. Reality is an illusion. Reality is malleable. Reality is what you make it. Building your ideal life. “Reality” TV. Blurring the lines between what is real and what is fake. Acting your way through life. Glamorizing your reality. Trying to make your life seem more magical than it really is.

Otherworldly. Spiritual authority. Spiritual disciplines. Spiritual teachers. Dance, art and music teachers. Skilled musicians. Matter of fact about spirituality. The practical application of a spiritual life. The practical application of the dreaming life. Making practical use of dance, music or other artistic skills. Pragmatic fantasies. Using artistic skills in business. Working hard to develop your artistic skills. Working hard to develop your spiritual and psychic aptitude. Real life psychics. Materialism versus spirituality. Inability to reconcile spiritual longings with practical concerns. Your ideal fantasy life is at odds with your real life. Duties and responsibilities prevent you from fully taking off into flights of fancy. You feel prevented from pursuing dreams. You feel that you aren’t “allowed” to live your ideal life. Something prevents you from letting go. Pessimism and skepticism can prevent you from realizing your dreams. Reality creeps into every fantasy. Fantasy creeps into reality. Everyday life takes on a fantastic narrative. Adding glamor to real life. Wanting a storybook life. Fairy tales with life lessons.

The slippery slope of success. Hiding from authority. Undermining authority. Weakening established structures. Lack of ambition. Weak boundaries. Lack of boundaries. Deceptive authorities. Authority in a fog. Seeking to escape responsibility. Slipping through the cracks. Escaping the real world. Going to California to live out your dream of being an actor. Escaping to L.A. Fleeing from authorities. Attempting to get away with it. Dropping out. Feelings of futility. Why bother? Pathetic. Listless. Feeling that other people put their responsibilities on you. Taking on too many duties out of an inability to set appropriate boundaries. Feeling responsible for the weak, ill and people who are down on their luck. Empathy for those dealing with depression. Having a hard time coping with life. Having compassion for those who also have a hard time coping with life. Compassionate authority. Relinquishing authority. Giving up. Inability to get your act together.

Victims of authority. Being victimized by your father. Dad acts like a victim. Having a weak father. Dad disappeared. Dad was a drunk. Wanting to escape from your father. Idealizing Dad. Dad was an actor. Con men. Victims of “the system.” Tragic figures. Sad music. Depressing fantasies. Self-pity and depression mixed together. Victim mentality and pessimism mixed together. Confusion and rigidity mixed together. Overly sensitive to harsh reality. Inability to take control of your own life. Getting involved with shady men. Seriously shady dealings. Watching the life you have built melt beneath your feet. Getting swept up in someone’s else’s attempts to structure your life. Looking for someone to give structure to your life. Looking for someone to help you get your feet on the ground. Floating. Ungrounded. Transient. Ephemeral. Free form. Slurry. Fear of the unknown. Afraid of dissolving into nothingness. Master of Illusion.


Morrissey of The Smiths has Saturn 6 Capricorn 04′ Rx sextile Neptune 4 Scorpio 55′ Rx

The conjunction of Saturn and Neptune occurs approximately once every 36 years. Recent conjunctions of these planets were in 1917, 1952 and 1989. The next conjunction will occur in 2025.
People with Saturn/Neptune aspects

  • Lauryn Hill: Saturn biquintile Neptune
  • Shakira: Saturn trine Neptune
  • Tina Turner: Saturn quincunx Neptune
  • Ryan Seacrest: Saturn biquintile Neptune
  • Hans Christian Anderson: Saturn semisquare Neptune
  • Marvin Gaye: Saturn quincunx Neptune
  • Charlie Chaplin: Saturn quintile Neptune
  • Miles Davis: Saturn square Neptune
  • Richard Nixon: Saturn sextile Neptune
  • O.J. Simpson: Saturn sextile Neptune
  • John Holmes (infamous porn star): Saturn square Neptune
  • Ian Curtis of Joy Division: Saturn semi-sextile Neptune
  • MTV's The Real World premieres on May 21, 1992 launching the reality TV genre: Saturn semisextile Neptune

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46 Responses to “Saturn/Neptune Aspects”

  1. Maria says:

    I am of the 1953 conjunction and I totally love the way I manifest things artistically Sometimes I have to push thru tough times by “just keeping the faith” that it will work out. So far so good..

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    • Michelle says:

      What kind of art are you involved in Maria? Thank you for stopping by.

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  2. Iago says:

    I have Saturn and Neptune in mutual reception, and they also make a very tight semi-square.

    This is all so true for me. When I dream, everything seems real, concrete. Saturn takes my Pisces side to other levels, so yes, the feeling of being a victim of the world, bound to suffer and serve as a sacrifice also comes in. It’s weird.

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    • Michelle says:

      Do you do any actual dream work Iago, like keeping track of repetitive themes?

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      • Iago says:

        No, I’ve never kept track of anything. I often do notice recurrent themes, and even recurrent dreams. Only when I dream something too emotionally strong I write it down or tell it to a friend.

        I don’t know what to do with my dreams. Some of them seem very significant, but I can’t really say.

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        • Michelle says:

          @lefeufollet:disqus
          I don’t know what to do with my dreams

          You can use them to get in touch with your inner landscape – the people, terrain, things and common interactions that happen there.

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  3. David5379 says:

    hmm, my generation has neptune in capricorn…. anyways nobody has slipped through the cracks more than me, i walk in rooms and no one notices, never end up having to produce projects(my turn never comes) i have slipped through about more work than anyone else i know in my school, but this may all be me just being a pisces, and every time im too lazy to do work it ends up the works due date gets pushed backed or somehow i never have to produce it, how about you add psychically work, because im still a hard worker, just i can sense when i dont have to do something

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    • Michelle says:


      i can sense when i dont have to do something

      That’s a handy sense! Pisces does like being able to get out of things.

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      • David5379 says:

        sure do, and i get my kicks out of when people dont notice i was there or realize i am there or cant fully grasp me, not that i sneak around on purpose, just i enjoy going unnoticed, but i sure love my invisibility/ disappearing act, i could have far worse qualities though

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  4. LB says:

    “Duties and responsibilities prevent you from fully taking off into
    flights of fancy. You feel prevented from pursuing dreams. You feel that
    you aren’t “allowed” to live your ideal life.”

    While I relate to some of the positive descriptions, I guess my semisquare makes it easier to identify with the negatives. Practical limitations combined with an awareness of my own shortcomings (Saturn in the 4th) have often required me to adjust my ideals or even give up on certain dreams. I do far better when my expectations are kept in check and I don’t get too attached to outcomes – other astrological placements contribute to this feeling.

    Sometimes, if a lot of challenging external stuff is going on, for about a minute, I’ll briefly give in to self-pity about how unfair it all is and think about giving up. But I don’t. I may freeze up or escape through sleep for a while, but eventually I pick myself off, dust myself off and start all over again. I’m too responsible to give up!

    “Working hard to develop your spiritual and psychic aptitude.” I try, but I still feel like a fake and a failure sometimes. No one is harder on me than I am. What I like best about this aspect, is that my faith has been
    strengthened, not threatened by life’s challenges – I accept suffering
    as a natural part of life and don’t consider those who suffer to be any
    less spiritually evolved. Along with other aspects, it’s taught me
    compassion. It’s also taught me not to place too much importance on the
    things of the world or the illusion of worldly success.

    Some of your descriptions related to my dad fit pretty well too.
    Another good one, Michelle. :)

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    • Michelle says:

      You must be very grounded though with Saturn in the 4th.

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      • LB says:

        Thanks, Michelle. Grounded is a nice way of looking at it; sometimes I’m too grounded, I think. It never made sense to me when other astrologers would look at the lack of Earth (only Pluto/Ascendant) in my chart and assume I was ungrounded or impractical. I mean, I understood WHY they would think that, but it’s not me. I like that you get how my Saturn works. :)

        Since I can never leave it at only one comment, I also wanted to add that I’ve periodically experienced authority figures as being weak,
        deceptive, or incompetent. I don’t have any illusions about the law
        either – sometimes it works and other times it’s just a sham. I’d
        include many religious and political figures too. I know some people
        may think that sounds cynical, but for me it’s more a matter of seeing
        things as they are, without illusion. I think I started out in life
        pretty naive (Saturn sits at the exact midpoint of my closest square,
        that of Neptune/Mercury/Jupiter to my Moon) but have learned from
        experience not to take anything at face value (Saturn in Sag/Neptune in
        Scorpio). I noticed Hans Christian Anderson (author of “The Emperor’s
        New Clothes”) had the semisquare just like me – makes sense! I think that’s one of the reasons I made a good professional “manager” – I was willing to do the work to be the real version people could depend on.

        I also should have said how when I apply myself, I’m very serious about my art. I’m self-trained and it shows, but I like that my art has a very raw, self-revealing quality that people can relate to.

        Sorry I keep repeating my placements, Michelle (I know you probably know
        them by now – lol!) – I do it for anyone reading who might be trying to
        learn from the comments.

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        • Michelle says:

          I’m glad you (and everyone else) repeat your placements because it makes it easier for me to understand what you’re talking about in the moment.

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  5. MsFullroller says:

    7th house Saturn in Pisces sextile 3rd house Neptune in Scorpio.

    Can relate to many of these at some point in my life including the here and now, except fleeing from authorities. Unless one includes that relentless voice in my head that says, “You really should do…

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    • Michelle says:

      @msfullroller:disqus Do you readily take on positions of authority or would you rather avoid them?

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      • MsFullroller says:

        I’d rather avoid them, because I see myself more from the point of one that plants seeds to stimulate the mind so that others can determine their own way. Positions of authority seem stifling to me and tend to reflect a “there is only one way…my way” flavor. However, I always seem to get placed in them.

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  6. Anonymous says:

    Great delineations!

    “Your ideal fantasy life is at odds with your real life. Duties and responsibilities
    prevent you from fully taking off into flights of fancy. You feel prevented
    from pursuing dreams. Pessimism and skepticism can prevent you from realizing
    your dreams. Reality creeps into every fantasy. ”

    I can certainly relate to the above. I always thought that it was weird how much real, practical concerns always seem to seep into my dream life. It kind of annoys me. LOL

    I can definitely relate to these as well:

    “Feeling responsible for the weak, ill and people who are down on their luck. Empathy
    for those dealing with depression. Having compassion for those who also have a
    hard time coping with life.”

    I would like this to become my reality:

    “Working hard to develop your artistic skills.”

    I have Saturn in Cancer (11H) quincunx Neptune in Sagittarius (4H).

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    • Michelle says:

      @Ebonystarr55:disqus
      I always thought that it was weird how much real, practical concerns always seem to seep into my dream life. It kind of annoys me. LOL

      You too? Lol :)

      I would like this to become my reality:”Working hard to develop your artistic skills.”
      With Saturn in the 11th part of the “making dreams come true” involves getting serious about long term planning and setting smaller achievable goals.

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  7. Anany83 says:

    hi

    I have Saturn(9) in Scorpio SEXTILE Neptune(11) in Sagittarius .

    I dont know how it exactly manifests it self ,but after going through the article,I felt that ,I like to use my ideas and imagination in a way which can become a tangible,practical,structured thing which can be helpful to any singular person or to a society or group of people.

    When it comes to explaining an idea or knowledge in a usable/implementing-way,I can feel this special energy to come out within me.Although there are few ideas,knowledge or philosophies that are so abstract that some amount of creativity is needed to present it in an usable form.I heard sextile aspects are not always felt as the trine or square aspects tend to be felt.

    ****Duties and responsibilities prevent you from fully taking off into
    flights of fancy. You feel prevented from pursuing dreams. You feel that
    you aren’t “allowed” to live your ideal life. Something prevents you
    from letting go. Pessimism and skepticism can prevent you from realizing
    your dreams.Adding glamor to real life. Wanting a storybook life. Fairy tales with life lessons. Having compassion for those who also have a hard time coping with life. Dad acts like a victim. Having a weak father ***** these are the few things sounds familiar to me !!!

    its a good article

    there are many dreams but I often get de-focused .I always feel that,dance,art, culture builds character,it disciplines life for good. Saturn wont let the talents go waste!!!

    thankyou

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    • Michelle says:

      @904db5f1d446fea5cc251690c0b46868:disqus
      there are few ideas,knowledge or philosophies that are so abstract that some amount of creativity is needed to present it in an usable form

      I like that. Neptune is abstract and Saturn is exact.

      I think this combination may be related to higher math in the way that certain musicians are interested in the mathematics of music.

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  8. Anany83 says:

    thankyou

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  9. Robin Joy Dore says:

    Shakira: Saturn 13 Leo 25′ Rx trine Neptune 15 Sagittarius 37′

    Cool! I have almost the same aspect as Shakira. ^_^

    I have Saturn Leo 16’45 2nd house trine Neptune Sagittarius 12’57 6th house -4 orb, I think applying.

    “What is real and what is an illusion? Reality is an illusion. Working hard to develop your artistic skills. Working hard to develop your spiritual and psychic aptitude.Materialism versus spirituality.Your ideal fantasy life is at odds with your real life.Reality creeps into every fantasy. Fantasy creeps into reality. Lack of ambition. Escaping the real world. Dad was a drunk.Getting involved with shady men.Otherworldly.Ungrounded.”

    Yes, the above is all true.I can really feel both Saturn and Neptune though I think that Neptune comes through more prominently. I’m constantly at odds with myself about allowing my spirituality come through while still maintaining a realistic perspective. I also tend to want to express my spirituality through artistic expression and/or physical expression… I want to bring beauty and beautiful/mystical spirituality through into what we perceive as reality. I want to make the world a more beautiful place.<3
    Frequently i use the phrases, "what we perceive as reality" in my sentences or "it's all in a person's perception or perspective" or something like that. =-) and I'm starting to think that everything that is considered fantasy is now our reality once it's been thought of and/or expressed in "physical" form..that includes verbal,art,dance, writing, etc. I dunno, maybe I'm being too unrealistic. =-) (bad joke, I know)

    I know I probably sound ridiculous. ^_^ TMI

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    • Michelle says:


      Frequently i use the phrases, “what we perceive as reality” in my sentences or “it’s all in a person’s perception or perspective” or something like that. =-)

      Reality is such a matter of perception. Differences in perception happen all day, every day.

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      • Robin Joy Dore says:

        I agree :-)

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  10. Plutonian Persona says:

    22 Virgo Saturn square 18 Sagittarius Neptune. I don’t always feel this aspect as much as do some of the others that I have written about. However, I do find that this aspect appears when it comes to my dreams (11th house Saturn) involving money or other materialism (2nd house Neptune). The key ideas that you present Michelle: “Practical dreamers. Practical fantasies. Taking concrete steps to realize your dreams. Materialism versus spiritually” are especially indicative of the Virgo/Sagittarius conflict of detailed practicality vs. spacey freedom.

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  11. Tarek says:

    Hello Michelle, Awesome website.
    I have Saturn direct at 11.39 Leo 9th. applying to Neptune Rx at 15.05 Sagittarius 1st. The words that describe me most are…. ” Teaching how to dream. Dream instructors. Dream makers. Dreaming your life. Making it up as you go along. Pretending. Real life is an illusion. Reality is an illusion. Reality is malleable. Reality is what you make it. Building your ideal life. Glamorizing your reality. Trying to make your life seem more magical than it really is. Pragmatic fantasies. Using artistic skills in business. Working hard to develop your artistic skills. Working hard to develop your spiritual and psychic aptitude. Real life psychics. Your ideal fantasy life is at odds with your real life. Duties and responsibilities prevent you from fully taking off into flights of fancy. You feel prevented from pursuing dreams. You feel that you aren’t “allowed” to live your ideal life. Something prevents you from letting go. Undermining authority. Deceptive authorities. Victims of authority. Being victimized by your father. Dad acts like a victim. Victims of “the system.” Inability to take control of your own life. . Getting swept up in someone’s else’s attempts to structure your life. Looking for someone to give structure to your life. Looking for someone to help you get your feet on the ground. Floating. Ungrounded.” ……. These words perfectly describe my case now.

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    • Michelle says:

      @478289905b7a8b7f53435bcd3a39caec:disqus Do you have a natal Saturn/Neptune aspect or are you experiencing a transiting right now?

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  12. Alice says:

    Nice Take on Saturn and Neptune Aspects, thanks for passing this along here..!!

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  13. MB224 says:

     Michelle, this entry is superb as always. I was wondering where I could find the image at the top of the Mars-Pluto entry. It’s resonates very deeply with me. Thanks for all the entries. 

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    • Michelle says:

      Below is the link to the larger version. Unfortunately I don’t know the original source. I tried searching for it on tumblr but couldn’t find it.

       http://astrofix.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tumblr_lcf0k21tYZ1qcg9jho1_500.jpg

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      • MB224 says:

        Thank you so very much.  

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  14. katley99 says:

    I have this aspect, what I do is write poetry and stories about dreams.  It is an escape for me. 

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    • Michelle says:

      @katley99 How do you write stories based on dreams? Do you make plots based on dream plots?

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  15. Klewis says:

    I have Saturn conjunct Neptune in the 9th… both Rx and in Capricorn. loosely conjunct Uranus, Trine ASC, Sextile Pluto, Opposition Mars, Quincunx Venus and Jupiter conjunction.
    These really spoke to me:
    The realities of fantasy. Dissolving reality.
    Teaching how to dream. Dream makers. Dreaming your
    life. Making it up as you go along. Pretending. Creating illusions in
    plain sight. What is real and what is an
    illusion? Real life is an illusion. Reality is an illusion. Reality is what you make it. Blurring the lines between what is real and what is fake.
    Acting your way through life.
    Otherworldly. Matter of
    fact about spirituality. Working hard to develop your artistic
    skills.
    Materialism versus spirituality. Inability to
    reconcile spiritual longings with practical concerns. Your ideal fantasy
    life is at odds with your real life. Duties and responsibilities
    prevent you from fully taking off into flights of fancy. You feel
    prevented from pursuing dreams. Something prevents you from letting go. Pessimism
    and skepticism can prevent you from realizing your dreams. Reality
    creeps into every fantasy. Fantasy creeps into reality.

    Lack of ambition. Escaping the real world. Feelings of futility. Why bother? Listless. Feeling that other people put their responsibilities
    on you. Taking on too many duties out of an inability to set
    appropriate boundaries. Empathy for those dealing with depression.
    Having a hard time coping with life. Compassionate authority.

    Being victimized by your father. Wanting
    to escape from your father. Victims of “the system.” Tragic figures. Sad music. Depressing
    fantasies. Overly
    sensitive to harsh reality. Watching the
    life you have built melt beneath your feet. Looking for someone to
    give structure to your life. Floating. Ungrounded. Transient. Free
    form. Fear of the unknown. Afraid of dissolving into nothingness.

    This is very interesting. :) These are a part of my yod. Definitely this is one of my biggest struggles and one of the harder aspects in my chart. I feel the potential for growth and yet limitations at the same time.

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  16. Debra Moolenaar says:

    I have Neptune conjunct Saturn in Libra (along with Mercury) and EVERYTHING you’ve said is SO VERY TRUE!  I’m an astrologer myself – but I couldn’t have put it nearly as well.  Thanks.

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    • Michelle says:

      Thank you Debra. It probably doesn’t hurt that I have Saturn sesquiquadrate Neptune.

      I just checked out your blog – quite nice. 

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  17. Aliperti2 says:

    it make me cry……

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    • Michelle says:

      I’m sorry :(  Which Saturn/Neptune aspect do you have?

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      • Ezgi_066 says:

        example i have a saturn square neptune aspect it’s so bad and hard orb 7 46 but i feel the affect i think :( 

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  18. lo says:

    I have both Saturn and Neptune conjunct in Capricorn. It seems this aspect is a tricky motherfucker! It seems like any plan that I have to make something out of my life lacks meaning or any real purpose. My plans seem futile and I become hopeless. On the other hand, spirituality seems too elusive and irrelevent in comparison to the real world of ambition and materialism.
    I get the paradox that binds these two planets together and I also realize there are a lot of lessons in this aspect, like: time is an illusion and it takes discipline to live in the world with no resistance to what is.

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  19. Soulsays says:

    Thank you for this fantastic discussion. Everything you’ve said is true for me. I’m one of the people with saturn-neptune conjunct in LIBRA in the 8th house! (@21d) but what i’ve been looking at most recently is Aquarius rising w/pisces intercepted in the first house. b. 8/3/53. do the interceptions make things harder or easier? no planets in either. may have to contact you off list. my friends who are astrologers seem to pander to or mollify me–probably to prevent an outbreak of tears! i have WAY TOO MUCH GOING ON and its hard to let go. mercury retro in cancer has me saying/writing the salient things last instead of first….sigh….at the same time i’m always blessed and others think i’m lucky.

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  20. pinstru says:

    I have the quintile…Neptune in Capricorn (3rd house) and Saturn in Aries (5th house). Still young, so real responsibility hasn’t creeped up on my yet, but yes…definitely relate with this aspect. I have this idea that through the art that I create I can inspire and help shape reality, yet I’ve come to this understanding that even if I’m successful in my mission of doing this that things will always revert to a previous state and that my actions, along with the actions of many others, will be futile. But that doesn’t really stop me from wanting or needing to believe that it could work, even if only for a second. ” Feelings of futility. Why bother? Having a hard time coping with life.” <—-Yep yep at a time this was life.

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  21. Tarek says:

    Hello Michelle ,,,

    I have an applying trine Saturn at 11.39 Leo (detriment) in 9th house to Neptune at 15.01 Sagittarius in house one.

    I can Identify with much of the above.. especially feeling victimized by my father and he showing that he is a victim.

    I guess that the trine differ from the square from the opposition and every aspect differs than the other.

    I guess too that having the trine is better than the square or any hard aspect, but the fact that Saturn is in its detriment is ruining the process….

    Another question to you:

    Do you use placidus or whole house system.?
    because using whole house system will make this trine from 10th to 2nd, not from 9th to 1st.

    Thank you,
    And have a great day.

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    • AstroFix says:

      Hi Tarek,

      I work with Placidus, whole signs, and Koch … not always at the same time!

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  22. Flighty says:

    I can’t believe how spot on this all is for me and the timing of me stumbling across this on the net is incredible!
    I have Saturn Square Neptune with Saturn in my 4th house.
    I recently turned 52 and have done something its taken me all my life to do.
    After decades of putting myself out and self sacrificing for family (brothers, sisters, etc) with very little being reciprocated in my hour of need, I’ve broken off the family ties and I’m sure it’s because of Saturns practical influence to save my sanity,
    I have now replaced this overwhelming sense of duty that I felt compelled to act on by replacing the word family, brother , sister son etc with FRIEND.
    I can relate more to how friends treat each other (not close or best friends mind you as that just wasn’t being returned at all, just FRIENDS)
    I thank Saturn for that insight for being caring enough to show a practical way of relating that wouldn’t end up driving me to drink or insane. Chasing a deep bond with family members that just wasn’t happening no matter how hard I tried or what I did.
    I really think Saturn gets a bad rap especially when it seems like hes caging little Neptune who loves so much and wants everyone to be one.
    But trust me, he can be your best friend when your staring down totally losing it>
    I think I also like the way he keeps me in check as having a father who passed a long time ago, he’s like my surrogate father who knows me as well as I know myself and knows when to step in to keep me grounded and not deluding myself where necessary.
    I hope everyone with that aspect can oneday see clearly like I have the ways in which Saturn trumping Neptune can be of incredible assistance to you on your life path.

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