Sun/Chiron Aspects

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You understand the pain of existence. Just being alive can be excruciating. You have no allegiance to any group, mindset, brand or corporation. You do your own thing – not out of rebellion, but because that’s just who you are. You are a maverick. You go your own way and make your own rules because the existing rules don’t fit. You discover who you are and who you want to be by recovering the missing pieces of yourself. You are intrinsically, fallibly human. You lead the life of a human being, which is the opposite of being a hero on a pedestal. Even as a mentor or teacher you have flaws. You are learning to accept and embrace your human experience completely. You are perfect in your imperfection. You exist outside of linear “time.” You exist in non-chronological time. Your self-unfolding has its own time schedule which may or may not fit in with your plans and what you think you want to do. You strive to see your life as a complete whole rather than as fragmented chunks. You are putting yourself back together. You are accepting and embracing your limitations. You are accepting and embracing your pain. You are striving for wholeness – retrieving and replacing missing parts of yourself. You are opening a door to the self. You are opening a door to a new way of being.

Sensitivity to what it means to be alive as a human being on this planet. Sensitivity to the human plight. Sensitivity to the plight of animals and all living creatures. Soul sensitivity. Discomfort with being the center of attention. Feeling uncomfortable in your own skin – and needing to do something about it. Feeling that other people are uncomfortable when you are the center of attention. Trouble with feeling that you do not have a central purpose or reason for existing. Difficulty understanding what it is you are ‘supposed’ to be doing with your life, yet having an overwhelming sense that you are supposed to be doing something. Striving to heal the perception that you lack a purpose or point – and finding a unique path in the process. Creating your path as you go along. Discovering that you must create your path because it is yours alone and doesn’t fit an existing mold. The maverick’s path. The healer’s path. The astrologer’s path. The pain of being who you really are. Learning to accept yourself in totality rather than fragmenting off parts of yourself that are difficult to accept. Integrating all areas of your life into one complete whole. Inability to ignore experiences that have left you wounded or in pain. An overriding need to pay attention and find solutions to all that ails you – and helping other people in the process.

Discontented with traditional healing methods. Finding that conventional solutions don’t work for you. Using yourself as a test subject. Self-experimentation. Needing to find out for yourself. Openness to alternative healing methods. Pain and wounding that takes you on a journey to self-discovery. Being on a never-ending treadmill trying to find a cure for your problems. Self-medicating. Self-prescribing. Self-diagnosis. Discovering new healing methods as you attempt to fix your own problems. Convincing yourself that there is something wrong with you. Running in circles trying to find solutions when the solution is to accept that you have flaws. Trying to find a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. Don’t try to fix what ain’t broken. Getting deeper and deeper into new or obscure healing methods. Knowing when to stop searching for solutions and accept things as they are. The inner quest. A hero’s inner journey. The journey to wholeness. The quest for missing pieces.

Helping other people realize the very qualities you lack or that give you pain. You help other people grow what you cannot grow in yourself. Becoming a guide through a particular world of pain. Helping others heal what you cannot heal in yourself. Trouble integrating masculine, or yang, characteristics. Wounded relationships with dad or other significant men in your life. Identifying with the wounded masculine. Having deep sensitivity and compassion for your father. Understanding your father’s pain. Having a father who has been deeply wounded. Feeling that your father or other men in your life have caused you almost insurmountable pain. Trouble with feeling vital, expressive and creative. Problems with confidence until you fully address underlying issues. Your identity is bound up with the parts of yourself that need to be healed. You identify with people who have long-standing hurts and traumas. You identify with people who struggle with their identity and accepting themselves as they are. You identify with people who have trouble reconciling and integrating difficult aspects of their personality. You can become a teacher, guide, mentor or guru to others. You can become a healer. Self-realization requires that you integrate the fragmented pieces of your life. Healing yourself brings out radiant self-expression.

The key to healing is understanding who you are. The key to healing is building self-confidence. The key to healing is knowing your life has a purpose. The key to healing is finding that purpose. The key to healing is tapping into your creative self-expression. The key to healing is to get in touch with your destiny. The key to healing is bringing soul force to your life. You are creating a whole, inclusive sense of self that accepts of all aspects of who you are without conditions. By accepting yourself as you are you show other people how to accept themselves as they are.

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Original Chiron glyph. Click to read more.

Chiron is both a minor planet and a comet. It is located between Saturn and Uranus. Chiron takes about 50 years to make one complete cycle through all the signs of the zodiac. Chiron is in Libra for the shortest amount of time – 1.5 years; and in Aries the longest – about 8 years. Chiron’s symbol resembles a key.

People with Sun/Chiron aspects:

  • Jeff Bridges: Sun conjunct Chiron
  • Charlie Sheen: Sun opposite Chiron
  • Zane Stein: Sun opposite Chiron
  • Marisa Tomei: Sun square Chiron
  • Janis Joplin: Sun quincunx Chiron
  • Jean-Claude Van Damme: Sun trine Chiron
  • Eddie Vedder: Sun quintile Chiron
  • Arnold Schwarzenegger: Sun square Chiron
  • Johnny Cash: Sun quintile Chiron
  • Jack Black: Sun quincunx Chiron
  • Marlene Dietrich: Sun conjunct Chiron
  • John McCain: Sun quintile Chiron
  • Eartha Kitt: Sun square Chiron

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  • Netuhria

    Hello again! I just comment on your post Sun / Chiron Aspects and did not realize thatthe computer was logged in with another Twitter profile. Sorry and please disregard it. I follow @ astrofix8 profile. I am @ netuhria.

  • http://twitter.com/mobrandao Monica Brandão

    Chiron 18 Piscis square Sun 15 Gemini 3th, conjunct ASC 22 Piscis, trine Neptune 8th.

    Hello, Michele! It’s always a pleasure to read your posts and I agree with every sentence of this Chiron / Sun. Its synthesis is simply excellent. Congratulations and thank you for the chance to read something with which I identify 100%. Let me tell you a little about my journey in this life, maybe this story can collaborate with other studies.Already in my childhood I was interested in occult and metaphysical healing linked. I grew up this way, feeling very alone in this sense, trying to satisfy my curiosity on the subject by myself. Time passed and I became a biologist, passionate about the Earth and the lessons of Nature.Astrology came last and still amaze and delight me since I began my studies 12 years ago, and this happened in a moment of pain, loss and transformation. Since then, I do not remember having lived a day without thinking, speak, study, meditate and breathe Astrology. Of course, this has changed my life. Honestly, at first I had no idea where my studies would take me, and so natural and almost inevitable, I became a professional astrologer, a healer, teacher and therapist, so they say about me. I found my way or he found me or I’ve always been there, who knows. And so I think at this point, certain that I never thought this way in other phases of my brief life.Lots of light and joy in your chirotic way.

    Netuhria

    Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

  • Giftedsexypsychicgoddess

    michelle, thank YOU woman.. once AGAIN.. you provide a VITAL peace of my journey 

    • Michelle

      Thank you for the wonderful compliment Giftedsexypsychicgoddess. Excellent name :)

  • http://fascinus.tumblr.com/ Joswan

    That’s pretty key up there

    • Michelle

      Glad you like it :)

  • billow

    From the chironic viewpoint, chiron is between a trine (Juno point) and an .oppostion (empty).  From the sun viewpoint, the sun is between an opposition (Uranus point by 3 degrees) and a trine (Mercury point).   As the wheel goes.    Natal mercury squres juno, and trines chiron.  Those transits would say something about the energy setup at the time of birth?

    • billow

      I meant to tag this post to the post in response to Michelle’s whatdyathink about conjunction/opposition internal/external.

    • Michelle

      I’m not sure I understand..
      What does “.opposition (empty)” mean?

      • billow

        I have no planet placement there.  The quincunx is odd.  I have read (somewhere again)  that there are waxing aspects that are what is to come?  And waning aspects about what is already been done?  And was mulling over my quincunx in regards to that which might mean nothing at all.  Especially since the sun is a fast mover so that a persons born with different suns would have different experiences in relation to chiron. 

        The important thing I have gotten from this conversation is the hero thing.  I am readjusting my thinking to that take because it gets me out of the “wounded” sinkhole and the idea that there is some kind of “healer” thing “responsibility”.  I find all that very confusing especially since astrologists continually pin “wounded” on Virgo, which I take personally.  It seems to give people the right to beat Virgo up like it’s a favor or something.  You may be right in your statement that virgo is misunderstood. 

        • Michelle

          Waxing aspects get closer together as you get older. Waning aspects are already separating by the time you are born and continue to separate as you get older.

          Virgo is misunderstood, especially when it comes to people with the Sun in Virgo (in my opinion :))

          This is a bit off-topic but, there’s something missing in the Virgo puzzle, and I’m not sure if its Chiron. So far, I don’t see Virgo as being the natural home of Chiron. I still tend to see Sagittarius as a closer fit. 

          When thinking about Virgo I am continually drawn back to the idea of Virgo as crafts-person. When I think about how undervalued skilled trades and crafts are, I find many correlations to Virgo’s problems. People rarely appreciate the time, training, practice and mastery that goes into making something “perfect” and they don’t want to pay for it either. People with skills often have to undervalue their work. Virgo, along with the 6th house, are the most closely aligned with employment (rather than vocation).

          People in the trades – plumbing, carpentry, hair stylists, etc… – are frequently looked down upon as being lesser. People are willing to use what they make, or employ their services, but rarely are they going to invite their plumber over for dinner or try to engage him in a real conversation. Even if you’re the most skilled and amazing hairstylist in the world, with a celebrity clientele, there will always people who look down upon you and think that you “just cut hair.” Virgo’s skills get taken for granted and they often find themselves becoming doormats. 

          Virgo can’t get no respect.

          • Michelle

            Also, everyone thinks that Virgo is boring. If you say “practice makes perfect” people start rolling their eyes. Everyone likes it when things are efficient and work flawlessly but few people want to acknowledge how much effort goes into making that happen.

            Poor Virgo :'(

            • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

              PREACH IT SISTER, PREACH!!!  Ooooh, this is one of the things that “gets my knickers in a wad”!  Folks wonder why their houses, cars, etc are falling down around their ears saying “but it’s new”!! Give me the old stuff made by craftspeople any time over this new crap.

              • billow

                And good craftsmen are getting harder and harder to find.  An acquaintence, bricklayer by trade, tells me that nobody wants to work with their hands anymore.

              • LB

                Everything you said. :)

              • Michelle

                Lol…actually, I’m a little worried I’m being too preachy. My Jupiter return is in one week, right on the 8/9 cusp.

                • billow

                  Let er rip!  I won’t hold it against you.  : )

                • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

                  Having Jupiter in Gemini,  and in aspect to Mercury, Saturn and Pluto I totally get your concern as I feel the same way…a lot. Hence my reluctance to speak up. However with the mega preachy BS already going on that’s designed to keep folks stupid, the counterbalance of truth is desperately needed. So, if telling it like it is is being preachy, like Billow said, then let it rip!! 😉

                  http://youtu.be/HcbbOYcEz88

                  • Michelle

                    I love that song. That version is fantastic too 😀

                    • Michelle

                      Aaron Neville is an Aquarius :)

                • LB

                  In keeping with the Sun/Chiron theme as well as your Jupiter Return, here’s my musical contribution.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGawnVcpzB4&feature=related 

                  The lyrics kind of sum it all up for me.  Ironically, Bob Dylan wrote that gem of a song (among others) while he was recovering from a hand injury.

                  Thanks, MsFullroller – I love “Tell It Like It is”.

            • LB

              With Chiron in the 6th (and a packed 2nd), I appreciate anyone who takes their job seriously enough to pay attention to the details and take pride in their work – not just the process, but the end result too.  I think it’s rare to find that kind of work ethic. 

              ANY job is a job worth doing well and is to be respected and appreciated.  No such thing as a job (or person) that doesn’t matter.   You’re right – we do undervalue people based on their professions.  We also encourage fast and sloppy, more so now than ever before.  Ever watch the television show, “Holmes on Homes”?   

              I like your idea of Virgo and craftspeople.    

              • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

                Everything you said! 😉  Venus in the 6th here. It’s gotta be done right and look right to last a long time only to be done over later because of aesthetic changes, not sloppy workmanship.

                • LB

                  I hear you, MsFullroller –  Planned Obsolescence and Perceived Obsolescence have had a huge effect.

                  Aside from the workmanship issues (via our physical creations), we can also treat the people and situations we’re entrusted with in a less than mindful way.  Even sloppy paperwork or customer service can cause harm, as can sloppy care-giving (for people and pets).  I think we often forget we’re dealing with other beings who have feelings and needs just like we do. 

                  Of course like Michelle said, this goes both ways.  The service provider deserves as much respect as the person who’s being served.  We’re like pieces of a puzzle – no two pieces are exactly alike, yet every one of us helps hold it all together.

              • Michelle

                I do watch Holmes on Homes sometimes.

              • billow

                Some do believe that Vulkanus is the true ruler of Virgo.

                • Michelle

                  I think it’s a good match. 

                  But, I have to add this…
                  Rulerships were not originally set up based on sign/planet affinity so the whole discussion of who rules what based on similarities is kind of moot (even though I like thinking about it).

                  ” the arrangement is based upon a planetary order which considers the length of their orbital periods (i.e., – Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Sarturn), first introduced by the Greeks.” http://www.skyscript.co.uk/rulership.html

                  So,
                  Sun=Leo
                  Mercury=Virgo
                  Venus=Libra
                  Mars=Scorpio
                  Jupiter=Sag
                  Saturn=Cap
                  Saturn=Aqua
                  Jupiter=Pisces
                  Mars=Aries
                  Venus=Taurus
                  Mercury=Gemini
                  Moon=Cancer

                  It starts at Leo, goes to Capricorn, and then repeats backward.

                  “In Book I of his Tetrabiblos Ptolemy gives a clear explanation of the reasons for the arrangement of sign rulerships, showing how they are based upon a symmetrical pattern that extends from the luminaries. As in most ancient symbolism, the pivotal point in the underlying philosophy is the relationship of the Sun to the Earth. Hence the distribution of planets to signs begins at the cusp between Cancer and Leo where the power of the Sun is greatest (at least in the northern hemisphere where astrology evolved). “

                  • billow

                    I wasn’t understanding this till I saw the chart in the link.  I see why and how  but I don’t get the logic.

                  • billow

                    I wasn’t understanding this till I saw the chart in the link.  I see why and how  but I don’t get the logic.

          • billow

            Maybe that’s why I love my handymen.  I think jupiter conjuncting my sun stunted my craftsmanship, but I do have a fairly good head for business, except that I have ethical limits which is a drawback in the world of business today.

            • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

              Yep!

  • Leah-Nine

    An enlightening and poignant post, as always. Thanks, Michelle.

    • Michelle

      Thank you for reading Leah-Nine. Do you have Chiron and the Sun in aspect?

  • Zoa

    This is one of my favorite aspects.
    I have Sun in Aquarius (8th house) trine Chiron in Gemini (12th house)
    It’s all about understanding the pain, finding the missing piece and thus finding your own destiny as a result. No one else can do it for you, only you can face your own wounds.
    And sometimes you have to accept some things aren’t meant to be healed, you have to carry them with you so to remember what you’ve gone through. At some point, the hero and his wounds become one.

    • Michelle

      Chiron seems a bit like an antihero to me. 

      Antihero (for anyone who doesn’t know what that means):
      In fiction, an antihero[1] (sometimes antiheroine as feminine) is generally considered to be a protagonist whose character is at least in some regards conspicuously contrary to that of the archetypal hero, and is in some instances its antithesis. Some consider the word’s meaning to be sufficiently broad as to additionally encompass the antagonist who (in contrast to the archetypal villain) elicits considerable sympathy or admiration. 

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antihero

      • billow

        Forest Gump???

        • Michelle

          Lol…hm…I wonder how Chiron would feel about that comarison.

      • Zoa

        That’s an interesting perspective. Chiron to me represents the wounded hero, even in pain he carries on with his destiny.

        • Michelle

          He is a hero, but his quest lies within himself rather than outside himself.

          • billow

            But yet the chironic thing is a result of the external setup?  Like getting caught in the middle of something.   Or if one is to believe in choice, the setup we choose to come into so we can progress past it?

            • Michelle

              Whether you experience it from the outside or the inside is probably shown by the aspect. People with the conjunction might have more of an internal urge to go on a “quest within”, while people with the opposition might experience the urge to “quest within” as pressure from the outside. Free-styling here…what do you think?

              • billow

                I think you excel at free styling, that’s what I think.

                This is the part where other aspects in the chart and transits might play in?  For some reason chiron does not seem like a singular stand alone guy to me?  It’s more like what hits, the coping mechanism, and the strength to carry through and on?  Each hero carries a candle that may light the way for another?

                With my quincunx, I am very aware of being a product of my experiences and the times in which I live(d).

                • Michelle

                  Thanks billow :)

                  For some reason chiron does not seem like a singular stand alone guy to me?  
                  Something to think about.

      • billow

        I ended up musing on Tina’s choice about “creative self expression.”  Didn’t mean to, but Neptune retro-ing around chiron brought dreams of course.  I’d have to juice that self expression with “you lead the life of a human being, which is the opposite of being a hero on a pedestal.” 

        Creative self expression is so “key”.  Knowing that, is what protects, preserves, and gets me through.  It is like a meter against stagnation.  If I get in redundant, hard energy situations that are overly controlled, it zaps my creative energy and will take me down.  The same thing happens if I over extend myself (sun/jupiter?) for others or for a cause.  I’ve been known to stay too long at the fair, but when the creative meter goes red zone, my creativity moves to how do I get out of this.  So my new goal is not to step into it in the first place.

        The rewards are in the creative expression itself.  A pedestal only alienates me from creative expression.  Puts everything on the top shelf where I can’t reach it.  However, constant criticism of my expression and lifestyle can throw me in the dumper. That would be submitting myself to wounding.

        If the need for creative self expression has to to with sun/chiron as you suggest, I would have to say it is the thing that keeps me free and away from self destruction.  It cannot be jeopardized or I cease to exist.     

  • Davida

    Gemini Sun and Mars conjunct Gemini Chrion in the 9th. I feel like I have to spiritually censor myself for others to accept me for who I am. I tend to think outside of the box, and unfortunately, most of the people I know are limited to that box I stand out of.
    I recently have given birth to a Aqu/Pisces cusp daughter, with Aqu Sun, Merc, Mars & Nept conjunct Pisces Chiron in the 8th. A small part of me is worried, yet intrigued as to how these aspects may play out in her life.

    • billow

      Censoring, I can relate, believe it or not.  I often feel I need to be less so others can be more, or I will be clubbed to death by a flock of flying monkeys.

      • Michelle

        I often feel I need to be less so others can be more
        Especially in the house where Chiron is?

        • billow

          That would be the third.  Oh dear, would that be my overbearing biosibs?  Shut up Michelle I don’t want to talk about them anymore. 

          Chiron is now in my progressed first???

    • Michelle

      The idea of “censoring” for Chiron/Sun really works for me. In the myth I don’t remember reading that Chiron ever had to do that. It makes me wonder if the opposite, not censoring yourself, is what would make you a “healing” example to people in your life of how to live a more personally significant spiritual life. What do you think?

      • billow

        Well, it just ain’t that easy a thing to hide under a basket.  That’s for sure.  Some people get me.  Some want to destroy me.  But I have that saturn square pluto thing going on.  Sometimes the censoring is necessary to my physical survival.

        There is a larger group purpose that overrides my need to be front and center.  Perhaps it is more editing than censorship, which basically has to do with my approach.  You dumb ass really doesn’t work so well, does it?

        I do believe example is very powerful.  It’s not something I try to do, set example.  But I do think living an authenitic life is something that just can’t be parsed.  And it reads for those not intent on ripping it apart and destroying it.  They really can’t I’ve decided.  I’ll just pull up stakes and move on.

        This is a good one for me.  I think I have come to the conclusion that a workable life with workable relationships are enough for me.  There is an art to that.  The art of living.  It takes work but it is very rewarding.  Reminder:  I can be a bit blotto.  Jupiter conjuncts my sun by 3 degrees.  : )

        • Michelle

          more editing than censorshipLike – but maybe that’s the Virgo in me 😉

          • billow

            if so, thank my lucky stars I’m still alive.

          • billow

            Ooh, I was just thinking about the class reunion I attended a couple of years ago.  My astro twin was not there, but she was being tch tch tched by a group because she is still running around like a revolutionary shouting dumb ass at everyone.  How she survived I don’t know.  Unless being previously married with kids offered her some protection.  Of course, I stuck up for her because on her recent blow through town I ran into her and we just screamed together.  But anyway, my classmates all seem aware of this noxious force, call it the social norms, and are firm believers in sucking it up and not making waves because it’s what it takes to survive.  They could all agree with me that at least she was telling the truth, as we see it of course. 

  • Michelle

    Jeff Bridges as the Big Lebowski is so Sun/Chiron imo:

    http://youtu.be/QsogswrH6ck

    Warning: language.

  • billow

    I should add I have a strong feeling that there is a taboo against becoming who I am.  The structures are not comfortable with that.

    • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

      **nodding head**  Yep!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Low-Gale-Haze/707929845 Low Gale Haze

    Pretty nice. I have a tight quintile between them. I reached a conclusion that I can’t search for a path to follow, I just need to create my own, but I’m still clueless in what to do. Amd I have this sense that I should be doing something, to have an objetive, but I have no objetive in being alive at all. I’d love to feel like I have a purpose, but I just don’t have anything to live for. I gennerally become a guide for healling to my friends, since they are all crazy and empty just like me, I try to help’em feel better even though I can’t do it myself and I gennerally succed (I just think of it as helping them, ’cause I hate the idea of healling). Aside from this, all other stuff here really matches me a lot.

    • Michelle

      I like the word “helping” too. 

      Out of the emptiness comes the purpose. Eventually you have to come up with your own purpose rather than waiting for someone to give one to you. Anyway – just my thoughts. Does that make sense?

      • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

        I relate to what Low Hale Gaze said and your reply.

        My Aries Sun/Mars read this and have been tapping their feet while saying to me “Will you hurry up and find out what the hell it is your are supposed to be doing, find your path or whateva, so we can get on with it!! You’ve been searching for HOW long now?!”.

        • Michelle

          Maybe there is no single purpose. Sometimes I feel that way. Maybe existing is enough. Then I start to get waaaay abstract existential.

          • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

            You’re right. I’ve been struggling with that a lot in the past few years. After all, we are human beings, not human doings.

          • billow

            I don’t know about purpose, but there is this thing I’ve become aware of.  I call it the magical mystery tour factor.  When I venture out with friend(s) my purpose is to let go of everything and just let time take us wherever.  It works kind of like this, my friend drops her car off for repair and we continue on in my car until her car can be picked up, time unknown.  We venture wherever and then end up back at the garage as her car is being driven out of the shop finished.  She always wants to repeat that experience but I know we can’t try to replicate it because that is impossible.  I have another friend who is aware of the factor.  We bascially just do lunch.  She is aware of the zone we can go to in conversation.  And I will sometimes comment we didn’t get there today, sorry.  And she will reply, it’s okay I know it’s there somewhere always waiting for me.

            Replication is impossible.  I found this out after spontaneously touring with a male friend of a friend once.  He was so enamored(?) he wanted a date.  It was a complete and total disaster to try to recreate it.  I knew at my young age that that spontaneous night was magic and was simply terrified that he wanted to cement.  I really have to be loose for it to happen. 

            Are there openings for magical mystery tour guides? 

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Low-Gale-Haze/707929845 Low Gale Haze

            But to exist just for the sake of existing is just so boring…

            • Michelle

              You have to give yourself a reason.

          • LB

            At its best, Chiron always touches others and in doing so serves a greater purpose.  For instance, you sharing your astrological insights helps us to clarify various aspects of ourselves in a way that can feel very empowering, even healing. 

            I think this relates to your question to Davida about uncensored Chiron being a spiritual example.  When Chiron is wise and strong and well-intentioned, I don’t think its effect can ever be totally censored.  Even when we thing we’re hiding – or making very little difference – others notice and feel the pull.  Whether or not they resist is up to them. 

            I like your idea of Chiron as Antihero.  At various stages of evolution, Chiron can also be the Scapegoat or Victim.  Once we embrace our gifts more fully and stop allowing others to define us is when we really have the opportunity to lead a more meaningful life.  Which is not the same as a perfectly ordered life.

            • Michelle

              Even when we thing we’re hiding – or making very little difference – others notice and feel the pull

              So true… 

              There is a great quote and I can’t remember how it goes now, but it’s something about how our coming into being is the universe trying to realize itself. By denying ourselves and not reaching the full potential of our uniqueness, we deny the universe its full expression as well. It’s our purpose to become completely and wholly ourselves. …something like that.

              That quote really helped me to come to terms with how there could be so many people in the world and why each and every life matters, and how each and every person is different and does hold a unique position that no one else can occupy. It’s also a possible reason why when we hold back and censor ourselves we are doing everyone (and everything) a disservice.

              • LB

                That’s lovely, Michelle. :) 

        • LB

          You guys are ahead of the game if you’re actively searching.  Before my Return, I just knew there was something missing.  Then I searched.  I can’t say I found my path, more like it found me.  Who knows though?  I think Virgo Rising (and other Virgo placements) always want to feel as if they have a purpose.

          • Michelle

            People with Virgo placements seem to have a greater drive to find the right kind of work. Every career reading I’ve done so far has been for people with the ascendant, Sun or other planets in Virgo.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Low-Gale-Haze/707929845 Low Gale Haze

              Dang it, I have sun, moon and MC in virgo.  You read me.

              • Michelle

                I did one on Tuesday for someone with the MC in Virgo.

            • Michelle

              They also seemed to be the most confused about what work is the right kind of work – at least right now.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Low-Gale-Haze/707929845 Low Gale Haze

        Well, it makes sense for me, even though I feel like I can’t create matter from vaccum right now. But how did anything came into existance if not by Chaos hands herself? Before existance came into being, there was just nothing out there. And everything is nothing and nothing is everything. I expect me to be able to find something to live for soon enough, since I will probably live too long and lasting, it would be terribly boring to live fulfilling small superficial stuff for the rest of my life.

        • billow

          Uranus is conjuncting my natal Chaos.  In some sort of way natal chaos really fits my early life experience and the now dissolution of the bio unit.  Thanks for the laugh.  You do realize you have a sense of humor?  : D

    • billow

      I am wondering if my tribe of nameless non status defined folks are known to have alot of stories about where they have been and what they have experienced.  The journey can take one to alot of places less travelled.

  • billow

    Ha ha quincunx.  Virgo/Aquarius.  I have to own it so it can’t be stolen.  I have had problems with bio family and bio family look alikes, breaking me into pieces.  Like I am supposed to explain myself all the time.  I don’t have those answers.  Get to know me and form your own conclusions if that’s what you need to know.  The biggest compliment I ever received was offhand, at one of those uncomfortable junctures, when someone said “she is what she is.”   I have no clue what that is, but I liked the freedom of it.  It’s a work in progress.

    • Michelle

      Like I am supposed to explain myself all the time. Oof – so hard. 

       It’s a work in progress.
      Sure is. 

  • Zodiacal_macaw_1210

    How ironic. I had a premonition that I was going to read this article. I’m glad that you did.

    As I’ve mentioned in a couple of posts on Facebook, I once spoke to an astrologer on a different forum and I mentioned to her all of my Chiron aspects. She told me that I needed to pay close attention to all of the aspects that Chiron makes because it aspected a lot of my important placements. You’ve helped clarify one of the aspects I have.

    I feel that Chiron in a water house has a more powerful role than in any other house because the wounds are very deep and rooted, not to forget very emotional, psychological and spiritual.

    I have Sun in Sagittarius trine Chiron in Leo – Sun in the 12th House and Chiron in the 8th.

    I’ve also heard that Chiron looks like the hand-cap sign / placard. It’s an interesting idea that you look at it as a key. After reading what you wrote, I see it now :)

    • Michelle

      Ah! That is amazing. I started it 2 days ago so maybe you picked up on that 😉

      I’m reluctant to say that any house position of Chiron is more powerful than any other just because every person has pain in life, and it seems competitive, or experience-negating to say that one person’s pain is worse than another’s. However, with Chiron in the 8th house you might have a stronger urge to tackle the wounding no matter how uncomfortable – although the flip side of that position is that you fear if you try to deal with it you’ll just “die.”

      I’ve never thought of Chiron’s glyph being like a handicap sign.

  • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

    I’m literally typing through my tears on this one and I thought the Uranus/Pluto post got to me but this one went straight to the heart. I don’t think there is one sentence where I can say, nah not me. The crazy part is I don’t have an obvious aspect between these two but this post is as if an angel has spoken directly to me. And I’m not being dramatic in saying that. The obvious connection is not in the progressed chart either.
     
    I get confused on how to spot the minor aspects sometimes. Do you start in the direction from the ascendant? It looks like to me it’s a vigintile. (7H) Chiron @ 23 Pis 13′, (8H) Sun  @ 11 Ari 42′

    • Michelle

      I’m happy you like the key motif because I have about 20 beautiful key photos picked out for the rest of the posts in the series. 

      I’ll say “well the key is…”. Chiron is tightly conjunct Mercury
      That’s so interesting because mine is too, and I do so much writing involving key words and key phrases.

      And I love those old skeleton keys along with the old doors that they are used on. 
      Me too!

      Yes, start in the direction from the ascendant (counter-clockwise). 
      You would take the remaining degrees in Pisces (6.47) and add them to the degrees in Aries (11.42) which would equal 18.29 degrees.

    • billow

      I love that “the key is”   .   .  .   like could we address the issue we are here to address.  It seems so virgo.  And it could be worse, I could say, cut the crap and let’s focus on the work and how we can achieve that.  Perhaps the answer is finding the right key to open the door, but sometimes even dynamite doesn’t work.  I hate manipulation and having to be crafty.  My disdain for that is so unlike Mercury the trickster.

      • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

        Exactly!

      • Michelle

        The right key. Mercury is so crafty. He’ll pull the rug out from under your feet.

  • Anonymous

    YAY! You’re continuing your Chiron series. I really enjoyed the writeup you did on Moon/Chiron. This one is great too. I really look forward to reading this series. Thank you!

    • Michelle

      Lol… I knew I’d get back to it eventually.

  • LB

    My Sun and Chiron are parallel, and I relate to most of this.  My life has changed drastically over the years – I’d have occasional glimpses of who I was meant to be, but sensing how much I lacked (or would have to give up), I tried to hide from who I really was (Chiron opposite 12th house Uranus)  Sometimes I still struggle with issues of vulnerability relating to self-worth, although those same issues have served to make me more aware and therefore more compassionate and accepting of others.  I try, anyway.

    My “purpose” didn’t begin to make sense to me until after my Chiron Return when my imperfections finally forced me to make a decision to either “get busy living, or get busy dying”.  My old way of life, including most of the people in it, gradually fell away as I came into my own.  I’ve read where that’s not uncommon with a retrograde Chiron.  I think I always knew that if and when I ever fully embraced my uniqueness, it would socially isolate me to some extent, and that’s been true (Chiron in Aquarius).

    If you haven’t already seen it, here’s a short video worth checking out:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orxEawi9qro

    I really enjoyed this post, Michelle.  As usual, your descriptions are spot-on.  I’m trying to remember – do you have the conjunction?

  • LB

    My Sun and Chiron are parallel, and I relate to most of this.  My life has changed drastically over the years – I’d have occasional glimpses of who I was meant to be, but sensing how much I lacked (or would have to give up), I tried to hide from who I really was (Chiron opposite 12th house Uranus)  Sometimes I still struggle with issues of vulnerability relating to self-worth, although those same issues have served to make me more aware and therefore more compassionate and accepting of others.  I try, anyway.

    My “purpose” didn’t begin to make sense to me until after my Chiron Return when my imperfections finally forced me to make a decision to either “get busy living, or get busy dying”.  My old way of life, including most of the people in it, gradually fell away as I came into my own.  I’ve read where that’s not uncommon with a retrograde Chiron.  I think I always knew that if and when I ever fully embraced my uniqueness, it would socially isolate me to some extent, and that’s been true (Chiron in Aquarius).

    If you haven’t already seen it, here’s a short video worth checking out:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orxEawi9qro

    I really enjoyed this post, Michelle.  As usual, your descriptions are spot-on.  I’m trying to remember – do you have the conjunction?

    • LB

      Adding – I may be more socially isolated, but the connections I do make (particularly through healing), feel connected at a much deeper soul-level and I always feel grateful.  I wouldn’t want anyone to think that having Chiron in Aquarius equals a life of isolation – my path has been uniquely my own.

      • Michelle

        My mom has the same Chiron placement. 

        • LB

          My mom had the same Chiron placement as you (in Aries).  Her Chiron was conjunct my 8th house South Node at 22 Aries – your Sun is pretty close.  Your Chiron is conjunct my 8th house BM Lilith/Sedna and opposite my Sun.  Interesting . . .

          • Michelle

            Huh…very interesting.

          • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

            LB your SN is conjunct DH’s NN by minutes. Your BM Lilith/Sedna is conjunct my 8th house Ceres along with Michelle’s Chiron which is tightly conjunct Ceres. Yep, very interesting!

            • LB

              You know, I know these connections mean something (everything means something), but for now I’ll stick with “interesting”. *** scratches head ***

              • Michelle

                I don’t know what else to say at this point either.

      • billow

        Ha ha again.  I am often accused of being too grateful.  Somehow being laughed at for that doesn’t hold a candle to the beauty of what I have experienced in the seemingly smallest of things.  Tears of joy at the magnitude of beauty is the ultimate experience.

    • Michelle

      “get busy living, or get busy dying”I like that. I kind of feel that way already. I can’t imagine what I’ll feel at my Chiron Return. I hope by that point I’ll have done a good amount of putting myself back together. 

      I think I always knew that if and when I ever fully embraced my uniqueness, it would socially isolate me to some extent, and that’s been true (Chiron in Aquarius).
      That makes sense. Wanting to be accepted by the group could prevent you from risking alienation.

      do you have the conjunction?
      Yes: Sun 19 Aries conjunct Chiron 27 Aries in the 8th house.

      Going to watch the video now…

      • LB

        I’ve read some really positive things about Chiron Returns.  But like everything else about Chiron, my Return was unique.  In addition to other progressions and transits, transiting Saturn was conjunct my natal 12th house Pluto and square my Mars during this same time period, so it was challenging.  :)

        • billow

          “my chiron return was unique”  .   .   .   There were so many aspects and life events to deal with, I can’t begin to know what threw me in the dumper.  In the end it grounded me like never before.  The Uranus trine Uranus transit is never far behind the chiron return????  That’s where I am at now.  According to Hand, that is deciding to live a life that is more authentic and appropriate for me???  Alot of separating the wheat from the chaff.

          • LB

            Sounds like we had similar experiences during our Chiron Returns, billow.  Mine “grounded” me too.  Actually, it felt more like my wings had been clipped for a time, although eventually I grew new stronger ones that fit me better anyway.  I started collecting butterfly images to remind me of the transformation.

            So you’re going through Uranus trine Uranus now?  I’m not there yet, but with Chiron in Aquarius, I think Uranus transits are always significant, and I’d look forward to the trine.  I saw from your other comment that your Sun/Chiron are quincunx in Virgo/Aquarius.  I also have quincunxes between some of my Aquarius and Virgo placements – from my perspective both want to serve, but in completely different (yet complementary) ways.  Learning how to honor them both is part of the journey, even if it does occasionally drive me craaaaazy.

            • billow

              I am curious (oh oh) about that Saturn Uranus Chiron thing because my Saturn return will follow on the heals of my Uranus trine Uranus transit.  Pluto is squaring my natal mercury at present and I feel that, as msfullroller would say, “key” in all this.  Natal mercury does trine natal chiron.  I am gaining awareness of the trickster at the very least.

              I am getting the feeling that virgo/aquarius set with my sun in virgo is about how best to bring myself to the group experience.  By the time a person hits 50 I think enough changes have happened that reassessment is needed.  Again no clue.  Winging it.  No sense going crazy about it or who will say the key is?  : )

  • Tina

    Wow! Fantastic interpretation that I’m still in awe over! I have Sun at 28 degrees Aries conjunct Chiron  1 degree Taurus. I too have a problem being the center of attention in crowds of people. I have a feeling this might explain my eagerness in tagging along with friends who’ve got strong Leo placements that love to bask in the limelight, while I sit on the side vicariously soaking some of it in through indirect proximity.

    • Michelle

      Thanks Tina. 

      Do you think your friends want you to be more than a tag along?

      Your Sun is conjunct my Chiron by the way :)

      • Tina

        Good question! I think with the case of tagging along it’s much more subjective and is mitigated and is hidden on the outside by a double Aries (sun & moon, therefore my moon is on your Chiron as well.. :). I’m also an Aqua rising…so being social is no problem, LOL! :) It’s the ‘center of attention” that I have a harder time with.

        What I love so much much about what you said:

        “The key to healing is tapping into your creative self-expression. The
        key to healing is to get in touch with your destiny. The key to healing
        is bringing soul force to your life.”

        Oh SO TRUE!!!! I’m feeling this being even more the case with transiting Jupiter conjunct my Chiron right now…

        • Michelle

          Quite nice …thank you for the reply :)

  • Eliseplain

    Very interesting post -as usual. I have Sun 22 Virgo in the 12th house trine Chiron 27 Taurus in the 8th. All about healing, destiny and accepting myself…

    • Michelle

      Do you participate in any alternative healing practices?

  • Taís Madeira

    I have Sun 21 Gemini conjunct Chiron 22 Gemini at the 5th.

    Thank you, I have never been so aware before that it isn’t me who gets uncomfortable for being the center of attention but the annoying perception that many other people don’t apreciate it. Annoying enough to make me avoid it thought I enjoy it.

    • Michelle

      Chances are, when you are the center of attention, you’re displaying some part of yourself that is so authentic that it makes people feel twitchy –  they can’t deal. 

      • Astrologyhelps

        Feeling that your father or other men in your life have caused you almost insurmountable painsun chiron in 11th with packed 5th house.  Give out a lot of love and receive little back.  Men have been abusive in my life – father emotionally (not sexually), boyfriends have betrayed me repeatedly.  No longer expect anything from men and haven’t dated for 6 years despite an air grand trine that is supposed to make me beautiful.  No longer trust men and no 8th house planets but becoming more suspicious of people and their motives as I get older. 

        Also I work with groups (11th house) and a coworker gets real twitchy when I do my input.  She drives me up the wall… I am instructed to do the input for the love of X. 

        • http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

          Do you have a Venus/Pluto aspect?

          • jean

            I have a Venus (2nd house Aquarius) and Pluto (8th house Leo) opposition and had a love-hate relationship with my father……..was fairly battered (emotionally/sometimes physically), as a child, but that was more because my parents were the ‘children’ behaviour wise, rather that myself and 2 sisters. At the same time he worked about 3 jobs trying to give my mother what she wanted and he was always there when you needed him. His father a miner, was violent and ended up in an asylum in the 1920s when he was growing up in Scotland. Presbyterian my father was the youngest of 13, yes 13 children.

    • billow

      Do people sometimes drag you along to a situation they are uncomfortable with so you can fill in the blanks for them?  Like, I just need to be away tonite and I know you will do all the talking so I don’t have to? Or  I am uncomfortable with the situation I am going to, will you come along?  I stop at will you go to the bathroom with me.  I think that is something everyone needs to figure out for themselves. 

      Saving someone’s butt in that way always gets a big thank you which surprises me, because it is normally no big deal for me.