Quintile and Biquintile Quirks

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colorful crystal shoesWhat if quintiles and biquintiles show personality quirks in the best sense – traits and behaviors that you can “get away with” and that other people cannot?

While other people may struggle with the square or flounder in the trine you, with your neat little quintile, totally get away with that same behavior – it works for you.

Not only do people let you get away with the behavior shown by your quintiles and biquintiles, but they often like you better for it.

Behaviors and habits that would ordinarily drive your friends and family crazy in someone else become charming personality quirks in you. People are unusually willing to tolerate these idiosyncrasies in your personality though they wouldn’t do the same for the person next to you.

People with quintiles and biquintiles:

  • Charlie Sheen: Uranus biquintile MC, Sun quintile Jupiter
  • Robert Downey, Jr.: Sun biquintile Mars, Venus biquintile Neptune, Mercury biquintile Pluto
  • Tom Cruise: Pluto quintile MC
  • Kathy Griffin: Mercury quintile Pluto, Sun quintile ascendant
  • Emily Blunt: Mars biquintile Saturn
  • Bill O'Reilly: Mercury quintile mars, Mars quintile Neptune, Sun quintile Uranus,
  • Marilyn Monroe: Moon biquintile Pluto, Sun quintile Neptune, Sun quintile Uranus
  • Bernie Madoff: Sun quintile Jupiter, Neptune biquintile MC
  • Bernie Mac: Mercury quintile Saturn
  • Joan Rivers: Moon biquintile Pluto, Sun quintile ascendant
  • Sarah Silverman: Saturn biquintile Uranus
  • Marilyn Monroe: Sun quintile Neptune
  • Anna Nicole Smith: Moon quintile ascendant

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  • Anonymous

    Quintiles and biquintiles are always a popular topic, aren’t they? I guess everyone is eager to get a handle on this aspect.

    As usual, you come along and offer a unique perspective on these aspects, Michelle. I really appreciate that. I have never heard them described this way.

    So what is it that I am “getting away with” or hopefully being appreciated for?

    Sun biquintile Jupiter – getting away with projecting a (in my case fake) sense of confidence?

    Mercury biquintile Jupiter – getting away with obnoxiously positive thinking that would ordinarily make people want to punch me in the face?

    Moon biquintile Saturn – appreciated for my outward calm & emotional restraint, perhaps?

    Moon biquintile Chiron – appreciated for being able to perceive people’s wounds?

    Saturn quintile Chiron – appreciated for my sense of responsibility towards healing wounds?

    Mars biquintile Pluto – really not sure what to make of this one, but perhaps it has to do with getting away with being able to express a sense of power and intensity?Well, I thought I would try my hand at understanding these. Anyone else have any thoughts?

    • LB

      Wow, Ebonystarr55 –  you have quite a few quintiles.  I’m guessing you must have a powerful presence with a natural ability to tune into and affect others.  I hope you don’t mind me asking, but are you a healer and/or artist?  I know you’ve probably mentioned it before, but I can’t remember. 

      • Anonymous

        I’m not sure about having a powerful presence, but I am trained as a psychotherapist. My artistic side has been sorely neglected in pursuit of that training. I would love to begin playing my flute again, but it is hard to find the time, as all my energies are now devoted to taking care of my elderly mother.

        But after all this time, I think I am finally recognizing that a creative outlet is essential to my well-being.

        • LB

          Having both Saturn and Chiron biquintile your Moon seems to fit with you caring for your elderly mother.  My 4th house Saturn is quintile Ceres, and I cared for mine as well.  I know how physically and emotionally challenging it can be – difficult to find time for creative pursuits but very rewarding if you can manage. 

          Depending on house placements, your Mars/Pluto biquintile might help in your work as a psychotherapist, in that you could potentially focus your own powerful energy (and insight?) in ways that encourage healing at deeper levels.  Following Michelle’s lead, people might respond without being offended.   It seems like a possibility anyway.  I have the square.  :)

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for your input. What is your experience with Mars square Pluto? How do others respond to your penetrating insights?

            My Mars is in 10H in Taurus, while Pluto is in the 3H in Libra, so what you’re saying makes a lot of sense.

            Interesting that we both have the experience of caring for our mothers and that Saturn and the 4th house are involved. My Moon is in the 4th.

            • LB

              I’m grateful you don’t mind my input – I’m having a transit right now which is setting off my natal Mars/Pluto square.  So refraining from sharing my “insights” has become more challenging than usual!

              We have more in common than just caring for our mothers.  My 9th house retrograde Mars is conjunct my Midhaven and squares my 12th house Pluto (ruler of my 3rd) which is conjunct my Ascendant..  And my Mars is biquintile my Libra Sun.  Seeing as how my Gemini Mars is retrograde, my progressed Mars has been in Taurus for many years and will remain there for many more years to come.

              As far as my insights go, some people love them (I used to work with therapists)  and others not so much.  I’ve had to learn when and how to speak in a way that’s helpful and encouraging, as opposed to being harmful and/or unintentionally destructive – to myself or others. 

              Mars/Pluto comes in handy now that I’m doing hands-on healing.  I’m finding many of the clients who are drawn to me are also interested in what I have to share and feel safe knowing I already sense their vulnerabilities and strengths without having to be told.  I’m able to offer occasional bits of practical advice (Pluto in Virgo) as well as intuitive and spiritual encouragement. 

        • LB

          Having both Saturn and Chiron biquintile your Moon seems to fit with you caring for your elderly mother.  My 4th house Saturn is quintile Ceres, and I cared for mine as well.  I know how physically and emotionally challenging it can be – difficult to find time for creative pursuits but very rewarding if you can manage. 

          Depending on house placements, your Mars/Pluto biquintile might help in your work as a psychotherapist, in that you could potentially focus your own powerful energy (and insight?) in ways that encourage healing at deeper levels.  Following Michelle’s lead, people might respond without being offended.   It seems like a possibility anyway.  I have the square.  :)

  • meow

    hmmm..I have one quintile and 3 biquintiles involving Uranus and I do often get away with stuff that most people wouldn’t…with my little “excentricities”. ahahaha.

    • Michelle

      :)

    • Michelle

      :)

  • Sab

    How would a sun (virgo/4th) quintile pluto (scorpio/5th) effect an individual? And a moon (Aries/11th) bi-quintile mercury (virgo/4th)? But mostly interested in the sun/pluto aspect… :)

    • Michelle

      Maybe everything is light-hearted, people are having fun, then you walk into a room and conversations turn to more serious subjects…but nobody runs around telling you to lighten up – they just roll with it. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/christine.truong1 Christine Truong

    Interesting! A few my own quintiles and biquintiles: 

    Moon (Leo) Q. Ascendant (Libra)
    Venus (Pisces) BiQ. Neptune (Capricorn) 

    Not sure what the Moon-Ascendant quintile would mean, but the only “quirk” I think I may have with the Venus and Neptune biquintile is being able to get away with being clueless sometimes, or not knowing what’s going on.

    • Michelle

      Maybe people think your clueless-ness is cute too.

      • Christine

        Oh god. I just re-read this. It’s true!

        • http://astrofix.net/ AstroFix

          :)

  • Atlast

    cool post! quintiles are probably my favourite aspects, i really like reading about them!

    But there is something I didn’t get yet: with this energy, do people see thoose personality trails easily in you, or just, if, -in case- you show it someday, they will like it?

    An exemple, venus quintile pluto (my case): people see, for exemple, that I’m obsessed with beauty and like it, or, do I need to create a way of showing that I’m obsessed with beauty (even if i’m not) and then people will like  me?

    • Michelle

      It seems to me that people begin to notice the traits once they get to notice you. People don’t usually notice your quirks right away. 

      I don’t think you can make people like you for these characteristics, it probably just happens without your awareness. Quintiles don’t seem to be very purposeful. Chances are the people around you already put up with your beauty obsession. 

      You could ask a few of your close friends what they think. Do they notice this part of your personality? How do they feel about it? etc…

      • Atlast

        That makes sence! I have three friends with this same quintile, and something I notice about them is their intense social interactions – they never seem totally desinterested or aphatic when talking to someone. When I first met them (yeah, all of them) I didn’t noticed this trail, but took only a single conversation to see this quirk.

        Also, idk if is a coincidence, but do people with same quintiles get well together easily than if they hadn’t the aspect?

        • Michelle

          That’s an interesting idea – it makes sense. I don’t know anyone off the top off my head with the same quintiles that I have…I’ll have to keep a lookout. 

  • Michelle

    Lol…

    They’ll be more on these aspects… I don’t think I can delineate everyone’s individual quintiles and biquintiles in this post. I will be writing about the planets in aspect to the angles soon.

    A few possibilities:
    Mars/Ascendant- an aggressive style of presenting  yourself
    Jupiter/MC- over the top way display of status or standing

    • JH

      I guess the first one is me….. except I don’t know if I get away with it so much.  Haha.  Hmmm, I shall observe further.

      • Michelle

        Observing further is about the best we can do 😉

  • http://twitter.com/aycelina Aycelina

    I have so much quintile… moon (cancer)  uranus, pluto (virgo) quintile.. moon venus (sag) biquintile…and venus pluto venus mars (virgo)… quintile. I really don’t know how their affects touch my life and creativity… 

    • Michelle

      I’m having trouble understanding which of these planets forms a quintile with which of the others.

      • http://twitter.com/aycelina Aycelina

        Venus (Sag ) quintile Mars (Virgo)
        Moon (Cancer) biquintile Venus (sag)
        Venus (sag) quintile  Pluto (Virgo)
        Moon (cancer) quintile Pluto (Virgo)
        Moon (cancer) quintile Uranus (Virgo)

        • Michelle

          There is a lot of feminine energy in your quintiles. How do you fare in relationships? 

          Can you flirt like nobody’s business, without making your friends jealous?

          • billow

            Aycelina did mention flirting with danger.  I believe she was leaping through the air, from structure to structure.  That’s like a superhero thing, isn’t it?

  • Joyrjw

    I’ll be honest, I’m not sure of what I’m loved for and/or what I can get away with that’s quirky,I know that I’m quirky though . 😀

    I might need some help with this one. :-)

    I have a list of Quintiles/Biquintiles that I found at Clairvision as well some free software I have…

    Sun (Sco 23°53′)               Moon (Vir 08°36′)              wan. app. quintile (72°00′) orb: 3°17’Sun (Sco 23°53′)               Ascendant (Gem 29°05′)         wan. app. biquintile (144°00′) orb: 0°48’Moon (Vir 08°36′)              Ascendant (Gem 29°05′)         wan. sep. quintile (72°00′) orb: 2°28’Moon (Vir 08°36′)              Vertex (Sco 17°03′)            wax. app. quintile (72°00′) orb: 3°34’Mercury (Sco 28°57′)           Ceres (Vir 21°49′)             wax. app. quintile (72°00′) orb: 4°52’Venus (Cap 02°01′)             Jupiter (Tau 26°26′)           wan. app. biquintile (144°00′) orb: 0°24’Venus (Cap 02°01′)             Midheaven (Pis 11°21′)         wax. app. quintile (72°00′) orb: 2°41’Jupiter (Tau 26°26′)           Midheaven (Pis 11°21′)         wan. app. quintile (72°00′) orb: 3°05’Saturn (Leo 16°45′)            North Node (Sco 03°23′)        wax. sep. quintile (72°00′) orb: 4°38’Saturn (Leo 16°45′)            Juno (Sco 03°00′)              wax. sep. quintile (72°00′) orb: 4°15’Uranus (Sco 08°30′)            Pallas (Leo 23°13′)            wan. app. quintile (72°00′) orb: 3°17’Pluto (Lib 13°09′)             Vesta (Can 26°17′)             wan. app. quintile (72°00′) orb: 4°52’North Node (Sco 03°23′)        Pallas (Leo 23°13′)            wan. sep. quintile (72°00′) orb: 1°49’Chiron (Ari 28°29′)            Ceres (Vir 21°49′)             wax. app. biquintile (144°00′) orb: 0°41’Pallas (Leo 23°13′)            Juno (Sco 03°00′)              wax. app. quintile (72°00′) orb: 2°13’Black Moon (Tau 12°22′)        Vesta (Can 26°17′)             wax. sep. quintile (72°00′) orb: 1°55’Pluto Descendant Crescent + 3 ° 56 ‘ Quintile 75 ° 56 ‘Sun Nadir Last Quarter – 0 ° 32 ‘ Quintile 287 ° 28 Mars Nadir Last Quarter – 3 ° 11 ‘ Quintile 284 ° 49 ‘

    • Robin Joy Dore

      By the way, I’m really sorry for the mess…I didn’t expect everything to be so jumbled and I couldn’t edit it. :-(

    • Michelle

      I’m going to address the angle combinations with planets soon so that should help with their interpretation. 

      I really can’t address all of these combinations. Starting with a simpler one: Sun quintle Mars (if I’m reading this correctly) could show a way of asserting yourself on your own behalf – a certain selfish self-interest (and I mean that in a good way) that serves you well and that other people don’t fault you for.

      • Robin Joy Dore

        Well, you were close :-)

        I have Sun conjunct Mars,but that’s not included in this list.

        I have Sun Quintile Moon and Sun biquintile Ascendant

        I should retype this shouldn’t I?
        It’s really bad, I can barely read it.

      • Robin Joy Dore

        That should be really interesting to read about,the angles I mean, and yes, definitely helpful.

        Thank You for your help! :-)

        I’m sorry I couldn’t interpret my aspects better. I’m working on it though. (-:

        • Michelle

          There seems to be a lot of interest in planet combinations with the angles so I’ll probably start those posts soon.

    • Robin Joy Dore

      Sun Q Moon
      Sun BiQ Ascendant
      Moon Q Ascendant
      Moon Q Vertex
      Mercury Q ceres
      Venus BiQ Jupiter
      Venus Q Midheaven
      Jupiter Q MC
      Saturn Q NN
      Saturn Q Juno
      Uranus Q Pallas
      Pluto Q Vesta
      NN Q Pallas
      Chiron BiQ Ceres
      Pallas Q Juno
      Black Moon Q Vesta
      Pluto Q Descendant
      Sun Q IC
      Mars Q IC

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SQFG73CYNC5GUVOEWI4SZAURPY M

    This helps make sense of what biquintiles are since you put it that way; I’ve always been hearing them referred to as “gifts” but wth is that supposed to mean exactly? I like the idea of them being things we can get away with, things people will like you better for..
    I have Taurus moon 2nd biquintile Libra Jupiter 7th.. I’m not sure what behavior that gives off. I just looked up Cafeastrology’s interpretation and it explains and ability to let loose and seeking environments which are interesting, parties, games, etc.. I guess I am like that in a way, something sort of fun-seeking there..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SQFG73CYNC5GUVOEWI4SZAURPY M

    This helps make sense of what biquintiles are since you put it that way; I’ve always been hearing them referred to as “gifts” but wth is that supposed to mean exactly? I like the idea of them being things we can get away with, things people will like you better for..
    I have Taurus moon 2nd biquintile Libra Jupiter 7th.. I’m not sure what behavior that gives off. I just looked up Cafeastrology’s interpretation and it explains an ability to let loose and seeking environments which are interesting, parties, games, etc.. I guess I am like that in a way, something sort of fun-seeking there..

    • billow

      The thing Sue Tompkins mentioned about moon jupiter energy in her book that I really liked (probably because I have the natal sextile energy) is self indulgence.  I really really like that.  To me it suggests really sinking my teeth into the life experience.  I find it a good thing as long as it’s not hurting anyone else.

      • Michelle

        It definitely has to do with self-indulgence. I have Moon in Leo square Jupiter in Taurus!

        • LB

          My 5th house Moon is square and parallel my Jupiter in Scorpio.  I’m definitely self-indulgent, but in a healthy way!  In my particular case, I’m also very lucky at contests and when gambling.

          • Michelle

            My indulgences are mostly healthy, but they tend to be expensive. I have champagne taste on a beer budget.

      • Michelle

        It definitely has to do with self-indulgence. I have Moon in Leo square Jupiter in Taurus!

    • Michelle

      I’ve always been hearing them referred to as “gifts” but wth is that supposed to mean exactly?
      Exactly!

      Moon/Jupiter: Something about seeking big emotional experiences and possible emotional exuberance, or an over the top emotional life that other people like. 

      What do you think?

      • billow

        With the sextile, big emotions is understandable.  Cancer moon might add punch there and in the eighth (I believe we discussed gut wrenching screams that cause a rip in reality).  That was then.  I am fairly tolerant, actually too much so sometimes, so I started getting the feeling that sometimes badgering was being used to create the spectacle.  I could be wrong on this, but I started refusing to perform this death defying act,  saying I am not going to do your anger for you.  I don’t totally get that, but it makes sense on some level.  Losing it has also then been used by the badgering other to say I am a bad person, ie. the other is a good person.   Yes this is abuse that I am talking about.  There, I said it. 

        There is alot to be said for changing my response to the abuser.  It works in casual relationships, but in day to day, when people want to fight, if one thing doesn’t work, another will be used.  The blows can get pretty low.  This I find is a very destructive use of one’s intuitive powers, if you know what I mean.  Sometimes, additional henchmen or flying monkeys (call them what you like) are employed via the gossip grapevine.  Obviously I am trying to work my way out of a particular relationship at this time because this game is getting really really old.

        Life without the abuser is just so awesome.  People are nice and happy and I feel at peace.  I think emotions can be spiritualized or something like that so that they open up to an all encompassing love.  Oh oh going gooey again.  There just are no words.

        Would another factor be easy to be pleased?  That greatful thing again.   

        • Michelle

          Hm…I haven’t considered “easy to please” before for Moon/Jupiter. I don’t think I’m easy to please. I’m willing to accept circumstances, but that doesn’t mean I’m actually happy. Getting HAPPY (in bold and all caps) is hard.

      • billow

        I jumped on this.  I thought it was general question and not for M.  Please delete my comment please on the moon jup energy.

  • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

    Good grief,  Charlie Sheen and Bernie Madoff have Sun Quintile Jupiter and I bet Madoff’s involve the 8th house! I have 8H Aries  Sun quintile  10H house Gemini Jupiter.  Thank goodness for a Saturn aspect to both planets as I’m well aware of “what goes around comes around”.  I have always been trusted to handle with integrity other peoples money/resources even though I was younger and with less rank/status than other in the office.

    Now the quintiles to my Ascendent and Midheaven, I don’t understand.  I’ve got 3H Neptune in Scorpio Quintile Virgo Ascendant. The Saturn/Mercury/Chiron conjunction in Pisces is Quintile Gemini Midheaven. Saturn is sextile Neptune. 

    As far as other points in the chart, 1H Uranus/Pluto in Virgo are quintile 10H Vesta in Cancer and bi-quintile 5H Vertex in Aquarius. Again Saturn’s rings reach out and touch these points as well.  Saturn opposes the  Uranus/Pluto conjunction and Vesta is in Saturn’s house. Capricorn is on 5th house cusp taking up approx 60% of the house.

    I don’t get any of my quintiles but I do know this, there has not been much getting away with bad behavior.

    • billow

      “there has not been much getting away with bad behavior”  .    .   .   perhaps that is a good thing because I always feel that you pack alot of power.  Strong strong strong.  :  )

    • LB

      Both Mozart and Hitler had tons of biquintiles and quintiles and look at the difference in what they chose to create!  I don’t get away with much either.  I think aspects indicate available energy – to some extent, how we choose to use that energy is up to us.  With quintiles, if we’re up to no good (and feeling pretty righteous about it), it probably makes it easier to turn to the “dark side”.  That’s what I THINK anyway. 

      Hitler and Madoff are two good examples of men whose character quirks gained them attention and power.  But I don’t think the quintiles in and of themselves made them immoral, they just helped make them popular.  The more I think about it, it really does tie in with Michelle’s point, doesn’t it?

      I agree with billow – you give off a strong vibe of powerful compassion and integrity.

      • Michelle

        Hitler and Madoff are two good examples of men whose character quirks gained them attention and power
        I don’t think it’s a matter of getting away with only bad behavior. 

        I’ll use myself as an example. 

        I have Venus biquintile Uranus – I can wear just about anything I want anywhere I want to wear it. Huge earrings, wacky hats, colored stockings, shocking hair, neon eyeshadow, 5 different mismatched patterns – for whatever I reason I can make these things work for me. I get compliments rather than sneers on outlandish outfits and styling. 

        These things are fairly neutral – they don’t matter too much one way or the other – but, I’ve never been made to feel like an outcast or been ostracized because of my clothing or style the way that someone with Venus square Uranus might.

    • Michelle

      I’m not sure that quintiles indicate “bad” behavior you get away with, especially since all of the aspect combinations have “good,” “bad” and neutral possibilities.

      Like LB mentions below, it doesn’t seem like there are any moral implications to Qs and BQs. 

      With Neptune/ascendant it probably doesn’t hurt you that people don’t always see you clearly. That triple conjunction with MC shows something about the seriousness with which you take your obligations and responsibilities. 

      • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

        Wow, thanks Billow, LB and Michelle! Now I’ve gotta internalize it. 

        “..With Neptune/ascendant it probably doesn’t hurt you that people don’t always see you clearly. That triple conjunction with MC shows something about the seriousness
        with which you take your obligations and responsibilities.”

        People not seeing me clearly. That’s definitely true and I have to include myself in the bunch as well. lol  “You need to lighten up”. “It’s not that serious” “Don’t worry about (fill in the blank)”.  DH and a good friend of mine that’s like a brother to me tells me this all the time.  You’d think I’d gotten the message by now. lol

        • billow

          I first saw you clearly when you painted that exquisite picture for me of you biking through the hillsides (at least that’s what I imagined, hillsides) of Germany. 

          • Michelle

            Agreed. That picture stuck with me too.

          • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

            I wish I had a camera but back then digital cameras were not out yet. You had to take the roll of film to be developed into pictures which was kinda pricy so I don’t have any pictures of my rides except for what’s in my mind. lol Here’s a picture of the picture taken at the top looking back, at one of those hills. It was a volksmarch event that included a 25k bike ride as one of the events you could participate in. A family that I’d just met there at the check in point got my address and so graciously sent me a copy of the pictures they took of us on the ride.  Lawd that was a looong hill. lol

            • Michelle

              Cool! Thank you for sharing your pics!

  • Chippp

    I’ve been very interested in the quintile aspects for awhile. I read somewhere they’re also about creativity and talent, also piecing things together. Being a musician these quntiles help out a bit. I’ve got Sun BiQuintile Saturn, Sun BiQuintile Neptune, Ascendent Biquintile Vertex, Pluto Biquintile Part of Fortune, Moon Quintile Vesta, Pluto Biquintile Ceres, Chiron Quintile Juno, and Mars Quintile Pluto.

    I am beyond curious about the Pluto Biquintile Part of Fortune aspect.

    • billow

      Wow, what kind of music, what instruments.  I’d guess that your improv is phenomenal?  Oh the places you must go.

      • Chippp

        I play absolutely all types of music, I mix more styles of music then a bartender mixes drink in one night. I play Guitar, bass, drums, and keys.. but guitar is where I shine. People are hypnotized at shows, and musicians I play with beg me to stop sometimes because the music becomes overbearingly trippy and unbearably intense… I think they’re crazy for thinking that 😛

        http://www.reverbnation.com/t9hhttp://www.soundcloud.com/sonicmagickchippp (:

        • billow

          Hey, take it easy on us.  You are a work out, you don’t want to kill your fellow musicians.  It reminds me of my Silly.  One of my exes always begged me to stop.  He explained I was like a marx brother movie.  It was only funny for so long but I just couldn’t stop.  Can’t wait to get to a faster puter to check your stuff.  I love where you take your listeners.

          • billow

            Oh dear, my natal Venus quintiles natal Silly.

            • billow

              Oh dear dear, that means that natal mercaury biquintiles natal silly. 

              • LB

                How funny, billow.  Venus quintile Silly seems like a useful aspect to have – it’s good to have a sense of humor when it comes to relationships!

                • billow

                  I think it has been helpful to me, even if it is not always appreciated.  I just have to give the parade pissers the boot.

        • billow

          Ya make that thang sing.  Couldn’t be better.   I want better headphones now.  ( :

    • Michelle

      Quintiles and biquintiles do seem related to creativity or talent. I wrote a bit about that in a previous post about quintiles and biquintiles: http://astrofix.net/2010/09/27/quintiles-and-biquintiles/

      Pluto Biquintile Part of Fortune aspect.
      I’d have to find more people with that aspect to get a better idea of what it means. 

  • JH

    Hello there,

    I had a quick look at my chart – no quintiles, but two biquintiles.  Mars to the AC and Jupiter to the MC.  What on Earth would they mean?  

    I don’t know what it is I get away with due to the fact that I must be getting away with it well…..

  • http://fascinus.tumblr.com/ Joswan

    Really? I never touched minor aspect before. I knew them but I never pay much attention to it.
    Interesting…

    • Michelle

      I’ll be curious to hear what you find :)

  • Anany83

    hi
    this is a new idea!!
    can you help me to understand about my quintile and biquintile from this angle?
    i have
    mars q pluto(some times i get away with my temper-tantrums,after a massive temper-drama ,people forgive me, here i should mention mars is in leo and pluto in libra)
    sat q mars
    sun bq asc
    i am going to see,if i have any more q or bq in my chart
    bye

    • Michelle

      Your Mars/Pluto interpretation seems good.

      Check out the Mars/Saturn Aspects post: http://astrofix.net/2010/11/11/marssaturn-aspects/

      I’ll be addressing planets in contact with angles soon.

  • billow

    Would progressions change what behaviors are allowed so that what might have worked in the past may no longer work in the present?

    • Michelle

      Natal aspects never really go away. Progressions are great at showing events and changes in behavior that go along with those events, but that behavior doesn’t always last. Changes in behavior might evolve to cope with current conditions and then fade away – then you’re back to your core personality again (your natal chart) with added life experience and new tools for coping with what life throws at you.

      That’s one way to look at it.

  • Zoa

    I don’t have any biquintiles but have two quintiles: Mercury Q Jupiter and Venus Q Chiron.
    WIth Mercury Q Jupiter I can get away with being obnoxious, even arrogant with words.  Now I understand why people never respond with a punch in the face when the Mercyru square Pluto comes out lol
    Venus Q Chiron… I have no idea. I don’t know what to make of this aspect. But I will be patiently waiting for a Venus-Chiron post.

    • Michelle

      Hi Zoa,

      Good insight into Mercury Q Jupiter!

      Venus/Chiron Aspects is coming soon :)

  • Pisces Moon

    Hi Michelle! How does this play out in Synastry and Composite? Let’s just say that the woman has Venus Quintile her partner’s Pluto. Does that mean that her quirks are charming to him although he might not think so in another woman? Thanks!

    • Michelle

      That’s a great question. I haven’t explored this idea much beyond natal charts just yet, but as I learn more I will probably write a post about their effect in synastry and composite. 

  • Pisces Moon

    Hi Michelle! Does this apply to Synastry and Composite as well? Let’s just say that a woman’s Venus is Quintile the man’s Pluto in synastry. How does that play out? Does the man find her behavior charming but would not tolerate it if it was another woman? Thanks :-)

  • billow

    Oh gosh, I have to learn something new.  Gotta check it.  I don’t know Emily Blunt, the other persons on the list I am familiar with and they sure do portray loud characters in one way or another.  Very in my face.  See you after I check my chart.

    • billow

      Oh no, this is impossible.  I am not aware of having any charming personality traits.  I have mercury quintile venus natally, and probably could get away with telling lies, but I don’t have the head space to keep lies straight.  Mars biquintiles neptune so maybe I do lie and just believe I am telling the truth.  I have always been surprised by friends calling me out as being this or that thing, when I would like to be that thing but don’t feel I have the discipline to actually be it.  Am I close at all on this?

      • Michelle

        Mars/Neptune doesn’t seem to me to be as much about lying as it is about being evasive. How are you at being evasive and getting out of stuff you don’t want to do? How are your powers of procrastination?

        Mercury/Venus could mean that you’re able to dole out flattery without anyone accusing you of being a sycophant (one possibility).

        • billow

          “evasive and getting out of stuff I don’t want to do” .   .   .   when I commit to others to do something, I will follow through, but I do always have an open clause that I will not self destruct in the process.  Unless the situation turns dangerous and requires expedient exit, I will make sure there is replacement energy in place.  I was more prone to the evasive dance when younger.  Increased testosterone that comes with the “Maxine years” , or something like that,  empowers me to just say no.  I also have become wiser on what to avoid.  Although, there are always more tricks up life’s sleeves.

          “doling out flattery” .   .   .   hard to think about.  Flattery seems to imply falsity? to get something else.  My favorite story is about a charming libra baby.  The mom was standing holding the infant in her arms across the room and I was standing with my butt  against the kitchen cupboards while we talked.  That little baby started smiling and cooing and reaching out to me, and the mom said awww she wants to come to you.  And I was like awww the cute little baby is reaching out to me.  It was a a warm and cozy exchange while mom and I delighted in the experience.  Until I had the baby in my arms and found all she just wanted what was on the shelf behind me.   

          My natal mercury is in libra .   .   .    hmmmm.

          What are “powers” of procrastination?

          • Michelle

            I was trying to be funny with “powers” of procrastination. Fail. What I mean is, do you use procrastination to your advantage, or do you find that when you procrastinate things tend to work out in your favor more than they work against you?

            • billow

              It is a funny phrase, and I will be stealing it. 

               It would be nice to be able to procrastinate without beating myself up about it.  Like this whole scrub I’ve been doing since the fit hit the shan.  It’s a deep cleanse I have to do to restructure my life, but it takes time away from getting my chores done, if you know what I mean.  Perhaps, it isn’t procrastination because I am putting the time to good and necessary use.   I am to the point where I am considering that this contemplation/meditation thing maybe is necessary to my well being but so are the daily chores.  I need to make time for both, which means calling myself into motion. 

              Projects and school stuff goes much better when I take time to process before attacking.  If I move too soon I will face redo redo redo.  Also I have learned an imporant lesson about negotiations.  I know what I want going in, I get an understanding of the players, and let them take the lead.  By allowing the process to unfold, I can better take appropriate action when necessary.  What I do not get away with is saying what I want and garnering support.  It just doesn’t work that way for me like it does for others.  Timing is everything.  I agree with I think it was Guest, who mentioned the importance of timing.

              I save my quick thinking and solutions for emergencies where fast action is required.  Adrenaline does that to me.  I don’t fall apart until the situation is handled.

              • billow

                Oh this is kind of funny.  About what I want not garnering support.  Natal wasted breath Kassandra conjuncts natal Venus.  Venus/Kass Q Mercury.  Go figure.

        • LB

          The other side of Neptune is spirituality, so couldn’t Mars/Neptune also be about learning to use our energy in a spiritually empowering way?  BTW, I agree it could also mean evasiveness, or even outright deception in some cases.  :)  Mine are quincunx and I’ve learned the value in withholding.  There are times when if I revealed all that I knew, nothing good would come of it.  Like Jack Nicholson’s character said in the movie “A Few Good Men”, “You can’t handle the truth!”

          I have quite a few biquintiles and quintiles and am still thinking about how they relate to my quirkiness.  I’ve been thinking about it all night.  It’s an interesting way to look at these aspects, Michelle – I like it!  I do know they lend a certain amount of influence and maybe even power, as in powerful compulsions.  I guess our compulsions, as well as the energies that drive us to create, could be seen as quirky.  So that makes sense. 

          • billow

            “spiritually empowering way”  .   .  .  I suppose that would have extra punch with natal mars in pisces? 

            I looked at this too last evening and some more this morn.  Looking at progressed quintiles and bi quintiles and referencing Tomkins aspect book, was re-confirmning about the changes I am making.  The interesting change would be the difference between the natal mercury venus quintile and the now progressed mercury mars quintile.  Talking it out and coming to compromise is not so much an option anymore in my day to day.  It seems more like I need to do what I do, and walk it through.  While I too am learning discipline in telling my truth, I needn’t poo poo the lies either.  It’s more about living my truth now than talking it.  Except on this stellular  site where I can work through stuff with the input of exceptional minds.

            I am also interested in looking at transits forming these aspects with natal or progressed planets.  You know, those days where it just all works out in some sort of seemingly magical mysterious way.

            • LB

              “It’s more about living my truth now than talking it.  Except on this stellular site where I can work through stuff with the input of exceptional minds.”

              Well said, billow!  Agreed and agreed. :)

              My 12th house Uranus sits at the midpoint and is quintile both my 2nd house Libra Sun and 9th house retrograde Gemini Mars.  My strong personality quirks, (i.e., my values, ideals, sense of truth and unique perspectives) seem more acceptable when expressed via the internet. Especially when my words don’t come across as self-serving. 

              I’ve been looking at quintiles formed during progressions and transits too.  They’re pretty interesting.

              • Michelle

                I need to go back and check for progressed Qs and BQs too…

                • LB

                  The upcoming Eclipse is quintile my 8th house BM Lilith/Sedna and my 1st house Pallas.  Now I’m curious.

                  • Michelle

                    It’s going to be right on my Mars at 10 Cancer, squaring Pluto at 10 Libra, and sextile my ascendant at 11 Virgo.

                    • billow

                      How’s the saturn pluto conjunction going?  That along with the mars asc stuff going on begs me to ask, are you ready for lift off or what?

                    • Michelle

                      Fear of financial destruction is motivating me to do things I’ve never tried before. 

                  • billow

                    Conjunct natal moon, so excuse me if I’m being luney.

                  • LB

                    Speaking of quintiles – I just figured out last night’s Eclipse (in my natal 10th) was at the midpoint of my 12th house Uranus/9th house retrograde Mars quintile.  I looked it up because as the night wore on, I felt more and more wired – it was almost like a caffeine buzz. 

                    I didn’t sleep well and when I gave Reiki, my hands were especially hot and very sensitive.  I also had weird “message” dreams and decorated (in my mind) a mysterious future living space using a beautiful shade of deep, vibrant teal-blue.  It was way out of my normal comfort zone, but very soothing.

                    So now I guess we know what makes my Uranus/Mars quintile quirky.

                  • LB

                    Speaking of quintiles – I just figured out last night’s Eclipse (in my natal 10th) was at the midpoint of my 12th house Uranus/9th house retrograde Mars quintile.  I looked it up because as the night wore on, I felt more and more wired – it was almost like a caffeine buzz. 

                    I didn’t sleep well and when I gave Reiki, my hands were especially hot and very sensitive.  I also had weird “message” dreams and decorated (in my mind) a mysterious future living space using a beautiful shade of deep, vibrant teal-blue.  It was way out of my normal comfort zone, but very soothing.

                    So now I guess we know what makes my Uranus/Mars quintile quirky.

                    • billow

                      Wired is a good word for mars uranus in my book.  I got a progressed BQ between the two now.  I have no clue how I would use something like that because when uranus conjuncted natal mars I was wired to the point of catatonia.  An acquaintence of mine swears by greens and blues for calming.

                    • LB

                      Which progressed houses are your biquintile planets in, billow?  Maybe that will give you a clue.

                      BTW, I’m still super charged this morning, in spite of a lack of sleep.

                    • Michelle

                      I ran myself ragged all week.

                    • LB

                      I’m not surprised – your Mars is getting a work-out, eh?

                    • Michelle

                      It is. 

                    • billow

                      Thought about that today and it makes sense.  Mars P2 and uranus P7.  I’m not sure why this relationship is ending at this eclipse, but there it was irreconcilable differences.  Is self worth house 2?  If so, it really makes sense. 

                      But why finally now???  Transiting mars is midpoint transiting and natal uranus?  I had a physical mishap while yardening so I am resting.  This only accentuated the relationship split.  I am looking at crippling and abuse.  In that order, ouch.  It’s so past life nightmare.

                    • billow

                      The eclipse trined P mars by 4 degrees and quincunxed my P urnaus by 4 degrees?  It also squared my Eris (11 Aries, Msfullroller), but I just had to stand up for myself.  I’m so tired of it.  It goes round and round.  I didn’t instigate it so it probably has alot to do with her chart but I don’t care to look at that.

                    • billow

                      Oooh, good one LB.  I am going to use it to release what gets me wired.  Sometimes, there is no easy way, but to discontinue it.  Thanks for the jump start.  I will just have to deal with any fallout as it happens.

                    • Michelle

                      I have a natal trine between Mars and Uranus. 

                    • billow

                      You rubblerouser you!  The water trine (especially since uranus is exalted in Scorpio) works far better for me than the confusing air mars uranus or the scorcher fire mars uranus.  Would the conjunction personalities hit me harder.  I’m not bashing it, it’s just my set up.

                      Once again, you and your subscribers are awesome.

                    • Michelle

                      Thank you, billow. That was really sweet :)

                    • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

                      Ooh that sounds beautiful!! I’ve always loved teal-blue. As a matter of fact, I want to work that color into my bedroom which is a reddish eggplant purple. 

                    • Michelle

                       I love those reddish-purple eggplant hues.

                    • Michelle

                      I slept like a rock last night. I know I had dreams but I didn’t remember them. 

                  • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

                    It’s gonna well actually was at the time of this reply, square my Sun at 11 Aries, semi-sextile Eros at 9 Gemini, sextile my ascendent at 9 Virgo and quincunx my Vertex at 10 Aquarius.   

                    • LB

                      MsFullroller, your Vertex is 2 degrees away from mine.  And your ascendant is 3 away.  My Virgo rising and Aquarius Vertex are exactly quincunx.

            • Michelle

              I have a natal Mars/Mercury quintile. Mercury is my chart ruler and Mars is the dispositor of my Sun (and my Mercury is in Aries). 

              Aside from thinking and moving fast, people seem to like my decisiveness. In my relationship or with friends, when everyone else is waffling, I get to be The Decider (ha!) and no one ever seems to resent me for it. They actually seem to get annoyed when I don’t take over and make the decisions. I feel like I get the “final say” most of the time.

              • billow

                Do ya ever feel like whacking us when we can’t make up our minds?

                • Michelle

                  Lol…um…yes :p

                  • billow

                    :p

          • Michelle

            Mars/ Neptune definitely has a spiritual bent. I was thinking over my previous response and came up with a few more possibilities:

            You get away with doing things in a less obvious way – rather than being forthright.
            You get away with being a more spiritually inclined person (especially in billow’s case where I think she mentioned people are not too open-minded in her community)
            You get away with being a rescuer, or savior, to creatures or people in need.
            Also, that you are more than likely not overly self-serving.

            • LB

              My Scorpio Neptune (conjunct Mercury) forms a biquintile with my Gemini MC/Aldebaran (which is conjunct my Mars) and I relate to all of the above descriptions.  People often assign an other-worldly quality to me without considering me “flakey”.  Recently, I’ve had more than one person call me an angel.

              My 5th house Aquarius Moon biquintiles my Virgo Ascendant; my 2nd house Libra Ceres quintiles my 4th house Sag Saturn/Part of Spirit/asteroid Spirit.  Both of these probably have to do with my overwhelming desire to nurture others in practical yet spiritual ways.  People don’t seem offended by my unsolicited “guidance” and/or support and generally end up wanting more.

              My 8th house Eris/Osculating Lilith quintiles my 12th house Pluto (people either love me or hate me for my efforts to advocate on behalf of those who are unable to speak for themselves), and my 8th house BM Lilith/Sedna quintiles my 1st house Pallas in Virgo.  Hmmm – I’m not sure who loves me for this last one (Ha!), except maybe my husband who values my insights regarding human patterns of behavior, no matter how unflattering they might be.

              I already mentioned my 12th house Uranus which quintiles my 2nd house Libra Sun and 9th house Gemini Mars/Part of Fortune (which naturally, are biquintile).  My artistic creations are definitely quirky, yet certain people seem to love them – I’ve sold prints without even trying.  That’s saying something considering my lack of technical ability and training – it took a lot of nerve just to show my art.   I also think this makes me good at managing stressful, quickly changing situations where my verbal abilities, insights and even manual dexterity make me equipped to act proactively.  Most people intuitively trust me to take charge – again, without being offended (Uranus is in Leo). 

              People (not everyone, of course) also value my spiritual gifts and sudden intuitive flashes without thinking me “weird”.  I’m even becoming known as a gifted intuitive among other intuitives, which continues to surprise and confuse me.  

              Although it’s an obscure asteroid – asteroid Reiki quintiles my Mars/Part of Fortune.  Even my conservative elderly relatives loved receiving Reiki!

              • LB

                Occasionally (doesn’t happen often) I catch myself coming across in a very no-nonsense, assertive way – my personality can be very strong yet people generally don’t seem offended and even end up thanking me for sharing my insights.  I sometimes find this kind of shocking, since I’m not at all sure how I’d respond to a similar approach. 

                It usually happens when someone has asked me for my advice, but really just wants to be coddled and made to feel better about their delusions or lack of effort.  I don’t say that, but it’s what I’m thinking  (see how blunt???)  I’m compassionate, but also VERY practical, as in – if a behavior is consistently causing harm, QUIT DOING IT – so it’s during those situations that I can feel my 12th house Pluto kicking in, overriding Neptune.  Recently, I had to explain to someone that I made a terrible enabler but was great at “tough love”.  Normally, I’m very gentle in my approach so I thought it best to be clear.

                This most recent example happened during my Mars Return, so maybe it had to with my Sun/Uranus quintile aspects (or my Mars/Pluto square -yikes!).  I also wonder if this is my Ceres quintile Saturn aspect (transiting Saturn has been conjunct Ceres) or maybe even my Eris quintile Pluto.  Sometimes it’s really hard to separate aspects when they seem to point in a similar direction.

                • Michelle

                  Your Moon is in Capricorn, isn’t it? Capricorn is usually no-nonsense tough love.

                  It is difficult to separate the influence of aspects that are similar. 

                  • LB

                    My natal Moon is in Aquarius tightly square my Scorpio Mercury.  Saturn sits at the exact midpoint.

                    You were onto something though (no surprise).  I don’t think I’ve mentioned it before, but my progressed Moon is in Capricorn. :) The person I was talking to has natal Moon in Capricorn.  I’m really getting a taste for what that’s like.

                    • Michelle

                      Oh, that’s right – our Moons are opposite by sign and house.

              • billow

                Yay, I always thought you sounded like you would be a good manager.  But I should have remembered that knowing what’s up is not always a good thing to have around the large and in charge.  Sounds like you have better things to do anyway.

                • LB

                  Thanks, billow.  You’re right, I’m not motivated to manage anyone else’s business right now.  Instead, I’m concentrating on getting my own practice up and running. 

                  • Michelle

                    “Managing other people’s business” is a very good, concise, interpretation for your Aries South Node in the 8th house.

                    • LB

                      I guess that explains my feelings of having been there and done that – transiting Saturn is conjunct my natal 2nd house Ceres, which is part of my Mystic Rectangle and Grand Trine involving my Moon and MC.  I want to do what I value and make my own money doing it.

              • Michelle

                Great insights as usual LB!

                • LB

                  Thanks, Michelle.  I wasn’t so sure I got it right this time.  I’m still obsessing, er thinking – must have something to do with one of my quintiles!

              • LB

                It only now occurred to me my 9th house Gemini Mars biquintile my 2nd house Libra Sun probably allows me a little leeway in assertively expressing my thoughts on a variety of spiritual/philosophical/religious/political subjects as they relate to my strong values.

            • billow

              I really want to be more self serving.  Maybe self nurturing.  Not at the expense of others, but just taking time to do what nurtures me.  And you are right about not being obvious, it’s the invisible factor.  I really don’t need the accolades and find it amusing when my idea is stolen and the boss announces the brilliance of the thief.  The problem with invisibility is that I can get stepped on.  When there are problems the blamers need to pass the buck to some one, never acknowleging the players who created the mess.  I am not sure this is intentional or if they have really short or maybe convenient memories.  It’s why I am being more cautious about my associations.

              • Michelle

                I think we talked about Mars/Neptune, stealth, and the cloak of invisibility over in the Mars/Neptune Aspects post: http://astrofix.net/2010/11/06/marsneptune-aspects/

                There must be other factors involved in your Mars/Neptune quintile. Does Mars or Neptune received squares or oppositions from other planets?

                • Michelle

                  Which house is your Neptune in?

                  • billow

                    The fun house, the house of 12.  I don’t look at whole house because I’m kinduv locked in to working with what I started with and with my asc at 16 degrees whole house is a little too funky a change right now.

                    • Michelle

                      That’s an extra Neptune influence. Probably accounts for some of the backhanded-ness you experience from others.

                    • billow

                      I’m in the process of watching the fallout (fallout shelter, hmmmm, another generational gift)  of my recent most awesome separation.  There is something in what you said about being too close to IT.   Oh what my voicemail reveals.  Fear mongering threats.  But it’s only voicemail right.  I realize there will be some factionalizing I’ll have to deal with, but every day I don’t have to deal with that is a good day.  And it is so much better than living in fear.

                      I think my frustration is in continually being nailed down to something that doesn’t really ring true to me.  It feels like if I am the thing I am accused of, then the other can fight me.  So I end up working to be heard as I am of course to no avail, just more ammo for the twisted warrior.  I’d guess I’m supposed to compete to win or something.  Some folks really like war?  But I know if I entrench myself in that game, the other will only hurt themselves.  Neptpune conjunct sisyphus.  Ye gads!  My separation from the competitive one seems to be saying I surrender, go find someone in your own league.

                • billow

                  Neptune
                  trines IC . . . talk about the flounder. I must look up the flounder’s life
                  history.

                  Okay, ya
                  ya, squares Venus by 5 degrees. Everything amoreuse and you wrote about that
                  square. Relationships were fantastical to start, but realized I had strapped
                  myself with yet another wounded puppy to take care of. All absolutely
                  phenomenal in some way, but just couldn’t get the happy and satisfied thing
                  going, or keeping them going exhausted me at which point wounded puppy was, of
                  course, not there for me. Get em on their feet as best as possible and move em
                  out the door, until I met a real hard case. Time for a break, a good
                  loooooooooooooong break. Reassess, reassess.

                  Out of
                  sign square with Uranus by 6 degrees, and yes my idea of fashion worked in the
                  citay but does not fly in the rural backwaters where I now live. I was
                  stellular at costuming shows and actually made a living doing that for awhile.

                  Yes, my
                  ability to survive in my present locale is questionable. But I love my digs.
                  You might get a kick out of this. Mars retro in the fourth pisces: I purchased
                  the house I always dreamed (and I mean I had dreams about it, which I only
                  discovered after rereading my old journals) about having, almost 150 years old
                  now farmhouse where get this, my mother was born. Not that I had some past to
                  look at or anything. Although it was obvious in my subconscious, I was totally
                  surprised when my dad called me as I was drying off condo poolside in the citay
                  (how different those days were) to inform me of my uncle’s death and my hand
                  automatically picked the phone up, dialed him back, and my voice asked him to
                  put in a bid on the house for me. So I guess that would be how quickly (Uranus)
                  a dream (Neptune) can materialize (I wonder where Saturn was then).  The quirkiness would be in the surprising
                  comment I continually hear from those who dare enter, “I really love your
                  house, but I could never live like this.”

                  Big city
                  is supposed to be scary, but it is nothing compared to what I experienced on
                  returning to this small town.  I see it
                  all here.  So this is the way it is.  And within it all, I make a space to live my
                  simple dream among nature, plants, animals, and friends,  and try not to get any on me.  I am considering searching out movies/books
                  about people who make a space for love, an ever expanding one, in the midst of
                  warring and turmoil. 

                  Yup, I may
                  look like a fantasy, but I’m living my dream.  Sorry if that causes anyone nightmares.

                  • billow

                    Oops, I did a cut and paste. 

                  • LB

                    So you put your energies (Mars) to work by dreaming since childhood (retrograde in Pisces/4th) of owning a home that was once the home of your mother (in the 4th).  This home is your dream (ruler of your Pisces is in the 12th) in that it offers you a secluded, magical place away from the world (Neptune in the 12th).  With Pisces retrograde, I wonder if this farmhouse feels like you’re RETURNING to something familiar and comforting, even if it’s not consciously known.  And although your choice of a home may seem a bit “quirky” to others, they still admire you for it.

                    I’m sure Michelle can do a much better job of it, but there’s my take on your quintile (or at least one aspect of it), for what it’s worth. :)  Feel free to reject.

                    • LB

                      You already knew all this anyway.  I think I’m just phrasing it a tiny bit differently.  It is interesting how you made your dream happen.

                    • billow

                      Or the dream is making me happen???? 

                      Although the natural world was my connection as a child, I could not wait to get the hell out of here.  What brought me back is a mystery, except for some mitigating circumstances people wise here.  That was somewhere in the attic too.  The house opening up was probably the kicker.

                    • Michelle

                      That’s pretty much everything.

                      Retrograde Mars in the 4th – taking action to return to your roots.

                    • billow

                      That’s an interesting take.   But but but the return it was like zombie must do, hardly seemed like a conscious decision.  Although being into plants, once I (?) set it in motion, the thought of putting my hands in the same soil as my mother and maternal grandmother was a sustainer.

                    • Michelle

                      I think the 4th house is largely unconscious, or out your hands. Maybe you get to choose your family, but maybe you don’t – maybe it’s a mix.

                    • billow

                      As this chapter slams shut, I get the feeling that I did come in with a responsibility, a few sacred contracts, and a purpose to clear the handicapping.

                      I hate to keep mentioning Tompkins, but I’ve had the book for a while and I can now better relate to the energies.  The Saturn Pluto square thing makes sense in that my conception happened during one of the worst polio outbreaks in the US that happened to be in the locale of my birth.  And I was born in the aftermath of a tragic family event, which as I find out has been integral in shaping the corruption.  It was “an accident” of course.  Someday perhaps I will write a psychothriller about it.  : )

                       

                    • LB

                      billow, have you checked out where asteroid Karma (3811) is in your chart?  I know I’ve mentioned it before, but I can’t remember if it fit for you.

                    • billow

                      No, I could check it.  1st house saturn seems to say it all, especially with the square to MH pluto.  But Karma could be a kick.  Am kinduv blown out right now with the big change.  Amazing how the dissolution of one association can be so mind altering.  Kinduv like pulling a big weed out by the roots.  Whew!!!

                    • LB

                      Sorry, billow.  Take care.  I guess sometimes we all need to pull a few weeds in order to keep our gardens healthy.

                    • billow

                      Sorry for what?  Cuz I can’t get my head out of my own dazed butt at the moment?  You are helpful in ways you do not know.  You may have facilitaed my rememberance and opening up of recurring dreams I’ve had about houses and rooms in houses.  Weird the bookmarks I have made in life.  I wasn’t getting past the decorum of the houses and rooms I dreamed about to get the relevance of what was revealed there.  We don’t always work in the way we intend.  I guess one chapter can’t close without another opening up.  Don’t underestimate yourself.  Never ever.  I’m just in the middle of some whacky 4-12 stuff.  Thanks for your tolerance.

                    • http://www.earthwindfireflow.blogspot.com/ MsFullroller

                      Wow Billow! However I know, you’ll rise stronger than ever. You can’t help it with Pluto on the MH square Saturn in the 1st.

                    • billow

                      Alot of it is generational, or so one of the secret rooms in time has revealed.   It wasn’t just the polio.  The flip side of the record is that Elvis and Little Richard broke out in a big way during my conception as well.  That led to the 60s R&R, etc etc, but not everyone made the transition to love peace groovy.  I have been trying so hard to salvage some biosib relationships.  Venus conj wasted breath Kassandra BQs IC.    I should hate my sister for what she did over and over again, or what I submitted myself to for so long, but I am almost happier for her at our split than I am for myself.  I was just perpetuating her blame game.  If it didn’t feel so good, I’d be mad.  Like I said, “whew.” 

                      And it was hard to recognize strength, when I was told over and over and over again how rotten I am. 

                    • Michelle

                      I love the idea of coming in with a contract. I definitely feel that way. I feel like there are things I’m supposed to do and I don’t get to cut out of “class” early.

                    • billow

                      “coming in with a contract(s)”  .   .   .  Yay, and sometimes one has to run through fire and rain to honor them.  : )

                  • Michelle

                    Amazing story!

                    • billow

                      Micheeeeeelle?  You have been very generous letting me get away with working through this thing.  Is it of interest that your Jupiter is Q my IC?  Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.  And it leaves me an open for Q/BQ compositing or synastrying and what that means if I ever get there.  

                    • Michelle

                      :)

                    • Michelle

                      :)

      • Tiabiamama

        You are being WAY too literal. You obviously have NO charming personality traits, and mercury quintile venus doesn’t mean lies, and mars biquintile neptune might mean that you might prefer to evade facing ugly truths in favor of a prettier reality-not lie on purpose. Anyway, it’s pretty obvious are just harassing the astrologer- lay off and let me ponder the idea without you pissing and moaning all over the charming and profound information presented.