Killer Instincts: Mars and Pluto in Aspect

Photo by Pieter Hugo from The Hyena & Other Men series

Photo by Pieter Hugo from The Hyena & Other Men series

People with Mars-Pluto aspects have a reputation for being ruthless and desiring to control others. Outsiders would be surprised to learn just how much self-control Mars-Pluto can have. It takes self-control to cope with the powerful impulses that Mars-Pluto creates. Mars-Pluto people, who aren’t punching walls, throwing things, yelling, stewing in their juices or running someone off the road, know a thing or two about how to handle the beast within. They’ve mastered (at least somewhat) their instinctual nature. Their instincts no longer control them, they control their instincts.

The ability to keep anger in check is not a result of denying or repressing instinctual urges. Mars-Pluto can’t sidestep aggressive physical impulses by pretending they’re not there. They have to wrestle with inner monsters and accept that these monsters are part of their makeup- not something outside, and not something that will go away. Mars-Pluto has more in common with animals and beasts than they may care to accept. Mars-Pluto aspects are similar to the Strength card of the tarot. The essence of both is the need to reign in and gain mastery over passionate urges while resisting the temptation to crush them altogether. Giving instincts expression, but not allowing those instincts to run wild, is the goal.

Pressure release

Burn With Mars-Pluto the heat builds up inside like a pressure cooker. Mars-Pluto people need a way to release pressure on a regular basis or they will explode. The cause can be buried rage or unaddressed anger (popular choices) but really, anything can trigger this aspect. Mars, planet of physical action, has to do something with energy and it doesn’t care what that something is. Pluto wants that something to be consuming. The best solution would be something like a controlled burn.

Controlled force

Some Mars-Pluto people are unaware that they have this energy. They are oblivious to how overpowering, smothering, and overbearing, bullying or just plain rude they can be. They need to control their energy by choosing when, and how, to apply exactly the right amount of pressure and force to any given situation or activity: never overdoing it and never under-doing it. There is power in taking action: applying energy and force makes things happen. Bruce Lee had a Mars-Pluto square; he exemplifies using controlled force.

Just do it

Mars-Pluto people have to take their excess energy and put it to use. They have to do something with their energy. If they sit on it, they can become abusive, resentful, destructive and bitter. The best remedy is to find something that they are passionate about and immerse themselves in doing that thing. It can be a labor-intensive job, pulling weeds, exercising, sex, housework, boxing, target practice, paintball, video games, knife-throwing, carving, surgery, piercing, or tattooing, but whatever it is, it had better be physically draining,  violent*, or both. Mars-Pluto people are flat-out nicer when they’ve physically exhausted themselves or satisfied their blood-lust.

* I hope everyone knows I’m not implying that Mars-Pluto people should physically hurt themselves or any other person.

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241 Responses to “Killer Instincts: Mars and Pluto in Aspect”

  1. Natasha says:

    I very much accept that I have something in common with animals (I act like it in many different ways)

    I've been really interested in taking up some boxing or martial arts; also dancing because I love it so much. I find that I get through my days better when I've moved my body somehow.

    And unfortunately Michelle, yeah I've been called abusive before. It hurt me so much, lol. Mars Pluto can go a long way if they look over their behavior and find a way to change it.

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    • Queen_nephtis says:

      I also since a kid asked mom to go out of ballet and enter martial arts, I begged her so much. She let me out of ballet cause I hated but she didnt let me enter martial arts, but street dance is cool, i liked though

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  2. firetiger13 says:

    yeeeppp michelle u know i have this square at 0 degrees also
    i need release this energy DAILY basically….. i noticed 1 of 2 things happens when i don't
    1. i fill up with a lot of anxiety over nothing. i found out: literally nothing. only the fact that i have so much energy to release but have not and it bubbles up and theres a deep burn in my stomach and my chest
    2. if i do not release the energy i may become violent. i have to stop drinking i decided because it all unravells and tho it's in “jest” it is still violent and scary (moreso for me) that i even take this energy to *that* place
    3. ( i just realize there's a third) i have nightmares where i'm screaming and abusing people
    ……..good advice on the release outlets <3

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  3. jjasonham says:

    I have an exact aspect. I've always had a bit of a quick temper, but it would subside if I at least expressed my dissatisfaction (Mars in Gemini). When I was younger, I'd keep my reactions completely controlled (Pluto conj Saturn in Libra) until they just exploded, and people were usually surprised. There was one time where I was trying to break up a fight between friends and got hit in the face. I must've blacked out, because the next thing I knew, I had run back from the kitchen with a butcher knife! That really, truly freaked me out, and let me know that if I didn't release anger I could go off. You know what's even more interesting? I was always told I got my temper from my parents, who both have close Mars-Pluto aspects. (And the parents they got THEIR temper from also have close Mars-Pluto aspects.)

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  4. Jara says:

    Interesting re: killer/animal instincts. My ADHD and I scanned it but will come back to read it word-for-word later. Before I forget to comment later, just wanted to add that people should always be careful of messing with someone with a Mars-Pluto aspect. It's like poking a lion. The lion could continue to laze around OR it could snap your head up. Do you really wanna gamble with the lion's mood? I call the power that a Mars-Pluto aspect gives “ant-strength” because ants can carry three times their body weight on their back…

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  5. fire13tiger says:

    my dad has the same mars square pluto too… interesting i forgot to add that
    when i was younger he and i used to get into the nastiest verbal spars
    it was like nuclear explosion… and then *quiet*….. he never did like staying mad for long.. end up eating cheesecake and watching seinfeld 30 min later ( he has mars scorpio, pluto leo… i am mars aquarius pluto scorpio)

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  6. Michelle says:

    I find that I get through my days better when I've moved my body somehow.
    Yes, I know what you mean.

    And unfortunately Michelle, yeah I've been called abusive before.
    One of my mom's nicknames for me used to be “Beast” which I didn't put together until I wrote this post!

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  7. Michelle says:

    I can really relate to 1 and 2, and even 3.

    I get pent up, high strung and wound tight. Any little thing can set me off. I simply have to get the energy out.

    I'm so glad you've realized how drinking affects you. Sometimes when I'm in Mars-Pluto mode I'll defend my actions, thinking I'm justified in my anger, only to realize later that I was totally off base. One of my triggers is not eating regularly. If I don't feed myself in a timely manner, I go into meltdown.

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    • duki says:

      I have exact semisquare between Pluto in Scorpio and Mars in Cancer. I can relate to releasing energy daily. But somehow there is always too much energy. On one Saturday afternoon( now almost every ) I exhausted myself playing soccer. I was literally red hot when I came home and almost dehydrated.

      So much energy can drive me crazy in split second( Uranus-Neptune conjunction opposing Mars) and I can explode. It’s good that i don’t justify my anger or attack other people.When I need to release energy I start doing pushups and other excercises suddenly wherever I am.

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      • Michelle says:

        Oddly, duki, I find the more exercise I do, the more I crave. My workouts are getting ridiculously long. I’m starting to want to do something more ambitious – like run in a competition or something.

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  8. Michelle says:

    I had run back from the kitchen with a butcher knife!

    That's interesting…when I was a teenager my house was broken into in the middle of the night. Before I knew what I was doing, I went to the draw and pulled out the largest kitchen knife. That's when I learned how automatic and intense my survival instincts are.

    I was always told I got my temper from my parents, who both have close Mars-Pluto aspects.
    Lol…my mom has the conjunction, my dad has the opposition and my brother has a semi-sextile (I have the square too).

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    • LOLman says:

      I once had a similar situation with my boss. First, I gave him an axe and told him to just kill me if he so much hates me, as he obviously does. Since he didn’t strike, I made it easy for him and turned my back on him. Still, the cowardly asshole just stood there, axe in hand, wondering how to settle the matter without completely losing face. No, rude comments and lame accusations were not going to be enough this time. I noticed another axe on the opposite wall, so I walked to it, grabbed it, turned around and walked up to the bastard, ready to split some skulls at the slightest sign of his axe making an upward swing. He froze in terror, dropped his axe and ran away screaming. 

      No, I didn’t get fired, I was on a 3 month contract. Or maybe he was too scared to fire me, who knows. Why axes? This was a carpentry workshop, of course there were axes. 

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      • Michelle says:

        That sounds like someone I know.

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  9. Michelle says:

    My mom would have explosion too- throwing pots and pans around muttering under her breath. But, she has a Mars-Pluto (with Mercury and Venus) conjunction and a Scorpio Moon so that anger would linger in the atmosphere for days.

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  10. Michelle says:

    Mars-Pluto aspect gives “ant-strength” because ants can carry three times their body weight on their back…
    Interesting. I think people with Mars-Pluto are often physically stronger than they appear to be.

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  11. Michelle says:

    I find that I get through my days better when I've moved my body somehow.
    Yes, I know what you mean.

    And unfortunately Michelle, yeah I've been called abusive before.
    One of my mom's nicknames for me used to be “Beast” which I didn't put together until I wrote this post!

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  12. Michelle says:

    I can really relate to 1 and 2, and even 3.

    I get pent up, high strung and wound tight. Any little thing can set me off. I simply have to get the energy out.

    I'm so glad you've realized how drinking affects you. Sometimes when I'm in Mars-Pluto mode I'll defend my actions, thinking I'm justified in my anger, only to realize later that I was totally off base. One of my triggers is not eating regularly. If I don't feed myself in a timely manner, I go into meltdown.

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  13. Michelle says:

    I had run back from the kitchen with a butcher knife!

    That's interesting…when I was a teenager my house was broken into in the middle of the night. Before I knew what I was doing, I went to the draw and pulled out the largest kitchen knife. That's when I learned how automatic and intense my survival instincts are.

    I was always told I got my temper from my parents, who both have close Mars-Pluto aspects.
    Lol…my mom has the conjunction, my dad has the opposition and my brother has a semi-sextile (I have the square too).

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  14. Michelle says:

    My mom would have explosion too- throwing pots and pans around muttering under her breath. But, she has a Mars-Pluto (with Mercury and Venus) conjunction and a Scorpio Moon so that anger would linger in the atmosphere for days.

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  15. Michelle says:

    Mars-Pluto aspect gives “ant-strength” because ants can carry three times their body weight on their back…
    Interesting. I think people with Mars-Pluto are often physically stronger than they appear to be.

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  16. Grace says:

    No, they are vile and need to stay out of others' business. Okay, just the one I know. She… You know, it honestly didn't occur to me till just now that I have a strong mars-pluto aspect too. Hm. Okay, there's good ones and EVIL ones. Yeah.

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  17. Michelle says:

    Hi Grace,

    Yep, there are goodins' and evilins' of every aspect type.

    Thanks for reading my blog :D

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  18. Natasha says:

    I may have been abusive, but you know what, my mom hurts me. Crazy woman!! Leo pluto with something going on there… hm. Not to be mean.

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  19. Michelle says:

    Does she physically hurt you?

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  20. LB says:

    Hi Michelle – I’m another one with the Mars/Pluto square. My Pluto in the 12th squares retrograde Mars in the 9th, and in my chart, this aspect describes the energies I encountered growing up. I’ve never been a bully, but I do have powerful emotions and am quick to pick up on the bullying energies of others. I tend to become enraged over themes involving abuses of power and am likely to go into advocacy mode on behalf of those less able to defend themselves. I’ve had to learn to embrace my power (still learning); part of that involves knowing I’m going to unintentionally piss people off sometimes.

    When I was younger I had quite the temper, but usually my rage was directed at my mother for failing to protect me (again with the theme). Being a Libra, any sort of injustice can really set me off, but generally my responses are well thought out and controlled. With Pluto in the 12th, people seldom suspect the depth of my passions. You’re right about the excess energy; when I set my mind to it, I can accomplish a lot.

    I think this aspect plays out differently for different people. One of the best articles I’ve ever read on Mars/Pluto aspects was written by Donna Cunningham. It’s a 2009 article entitled “Mars Pluto Aspects – What Determines How They’re Used?” She nailed it as far as I’m concerned.

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  21. Michelle says:

    Thank you for the link.

    I didn't want to go into every angle of the Mars-Pluto aspect with this one post. I can relate to many of Donna's ideas in that post, but it doesn't hit the nail on the head for me. I also share some of your experiences. But, I'm tired of the way much of astrology is portrayed in a victim-perpetrator light, however apt those descriptions may be. I'm looking for solutions and new perspectives. I don't want to continue to blame everything on the past.

    I think I'm just tired for real. I'm going to bed now ;)

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    • Rose McDermett says:

      Jeff Green has two Pluto (title) volumes and his daughter wrote about Evolutionary Astrology too. He approaches these aspects (pluto x mars) in a different light. Maybe you would like it. He leaves the victim-perpetrator perspective.

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      • Michelle says:

        Thanks, Rose. I’ve leafed through Jeff Green’s book. I haven’t bought it yet because it hasn’t resonated so far. I attended a lecture by Deva at NORWAC in 2010 … I had a hard time relating to what she was saying. I

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  22. LB says:

    Agreed. I don’t want to be portrayed as a victim either. That’s why advocacy on behalf of others has been such a healing tool. As is focusing that powerful transformative energy into creating something of value. One of the greatest gifts that can come from having once been a victim is that it teaches compassion. To mistake kindness (or restraint) for weakness is a mistake people often make. Your choice of the Tarot card “Strength” portrays that concept beautifully. Good one.

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  23. Natasha says:

    No. If she does it's only a pinch or little slap. I find my mom to be too emotional and erratic, putting aside all her great qualities! I guess every mom has big stress. xD

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  24. Michelle says:

    Mmkay.

    So…you and that Virgo, huh ;)

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  25. Natasha says:

    She has pluto square mars like me? (for her leo-aquarius)

    Yeahhh. Craziness, lol.

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  26. Natasha says:

    darn, I meant opposition.

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  27. Michelle says:

    Aspects run in families sometimes..

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  28. wg. says:

    I know I already commented on this, but it sure is a good article. I have a loose conjunction between Mars and Pluto–9 degrees, but I do feel really strong, like that guy in the picture above. If you saw me you'd probably laugh, but that's how I feel sometimes, really powerful.

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  29. Olivia says:

    Mmmm, I have an exact Mars-Pluto Quincunx/Inconjunct. In the 8th and 1st houses, nonetheless!

    I've never been abusive, seems more like the energy has been projected out and others have abused me. Especially family members.

    Definitely relate to the whole part about holding things inside…then exploding. I did just that today, actually… :)
    With the quincunx playing out, I go from one extreme to another, denying my rage, just being the sweetest person you've ever met, to goin' all psycho/crazy woman.

    It's hard to handle, but I'm workin' on it…

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  30. Michelle says:

    I think that not being the abuser, but attracting abusers is the flip side of this placement. Ultimately, it's still your energy to own and control. I am sorry that you experienced abuse from your family members, Olivia.

    Quincunxes require adapting two completely different energies to each other-they have less in common than the opposition. They don't mirror each other, they don't compete with each other- they have no reason to have anything to do with each other. What I find is that quincunx planets have to stay vigilant in maintaining awareness of each other. If they don't, they forget the other one exists and it's back to their old ways.
    Being sweet is a Mars-Pluto cover up, especially if you have Venus emphasized by sign or aspect.

    Thanks for reading :D

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  31. Michelle says:

    You can comment as many times as you want!

    I do feel really strong, like that guy in the picture above. If you saw me you'd probably laugh, but that's how I feel sometimes, really powerful.
    Ditto.

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  32. wg. says:

    Wow Michelle, your comment about being sweet being a cover up. I was sitting in class today and this started going through my mind and it made me remember a time when I was younger when I decided to be nice. Things were not so great in my family when I was younger, and my Mom and I didn't get along. It seems to me that I made up my mind I didn't want to be like my Mom–It's funny how much of who I am is based on this. o.0

    Things are better between us nowadays, but I still have difficulty letting bygones be bygones–I guess I just try to bury it. However I know that she did not have a good home life when she was growing up, and she was a very young parent with no help, no job, no skills…so I try to keep that in mind. She's a Gemini, fyi.

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  33. Michelle says:

    Do you continue to “be nice” to avoid battles?

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  34. wg. says:

    Oh gosh Michelle, don't ask me an easy question or anything! In my last relationship I had two options, either stand up and have a HUGE battle on my hands (not in everything of course, but lots) or give in to keep the peace. Basically choose my battles I guess. But since then I am discovering my inner strength, and as far as that relationship goes I'm not invested in it (except for the kids we share) so I couldn't give a damn.

    I still choose my battles, but now I'm more willing to take someone on if I have to. I remember a year ago I was driving to my daughters school to pick her up after a dance. I pulled out of the back way I was coming, onto the main road, and I swear I looked. But after I got on the main road I looked in my rear view again and this jerk in a truck was practically on top of me. And he stayed that way right until I pulled over at the school. Oh was I ever choked. I kind of jumped out of the car and went right over to his truck as he was getting out. Interestingly he parked right behind me on the road–now that I think about it, maybe he was going to say something to me.
    So I asked him where he came from. I told him I looked but didn't see him. He was taken aback and completely surprised I guess. He said he was there, I told him I looked and didn't see him. Anyway, I don't know how my voice sounded but I guess how I was feeling came across cause he looked shocked (that I came up to him?) Even now, a year later, he still looks like he's trying to figure me out. HAH! Lol! Jerk. Heh heh, his wife was with him too, hopefully she gave him what for. This was in the dark too, beside the forested part. o.0 Not sure that was smart but I actually didn't even think, I just did.

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  35. Michelle says:

    I could feel what you were feeling in that incident with the truck driver. I think there's an inner toughness to Mars-Pluto and when you get emotionally charged, you know what to do- you can stand up for yourself (no matter how puny you appear ;)

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  36. wg. says:

    Yes, I think you're right Michelle. I'm not very tall, a bit over five feet–but maybe that Mars-Pluto makes me taller when I'm pissed, lol! ;D

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    • fishly says:

      michelle and wg,

      you know what’s funny? i just had an accident (actually…two within 7 days…don’t ask -_-), and both times, somehow, by law, I was “in the wrong”. First case scenario, the “victim” was hysterical about her car being hit “by” me, so I decided to opt the easiest way out and let it slide……..though it was clear in my face and stature that I was not effing pleased with her argument. I somehow got away with a lower charge, though the “victim” was quite condescending by relating my “fault” with my age, suggesting inexperience in driving blablbla.2nd scenario was actually 2 hours ago. I was *also* reversing my car, I *looked* left and right Twice, my brother looked with me, our car exited slowly, I even ‘signaled’, into the direction I was turning towards, and all of a sudden, bump. Some old Honda (forgot what model) got scraped on the left side, both doors, and the “crash” ended in my bumper meeting his left wheel side (sorry, not proficient in car parts).

      The old man tried to assert that I hit his car [so it's my fault]. I quietly said, “didn’t you see me? I came out slowly. Also, it’s a small road; why did you go so fast for?” He kinda faltered off, and later on accepted some money to pay part of his repair fees, and agreed not to make a police report.

      Oh, and I’m about 5 feet 2 or 3 [too], of slender built.

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  37. gracehoper says:

    I have an exact quincunx– Mars at 1 Pisces 46 on the 9th cusp quincunx Pluto at 1 Libra 56 conjunct the IC. So an orb of 10 minutes between two Venusian signs, Venus exalted in Pisces and in its domicile in Libra. The inconjunct energy tends to manifest as a constant feeling of foreboding, anxiety, and fear of the outside world, which is uncontrollable, thereby leading to paralysis. Luckily transiting Pluto's actually doing some good for me, I think. I've begun to make actual forays out into the world.

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  38. Michelle says:

    I was actually thinking about you today, and I hope you won't be offended…but I was watching a show about people with social anxiety issues, and I began to wonder if many of these people have had past lives of living in relative isolation. So, when they incarnate into the next existence, they go into a kind of sensory overload and they can't handle it.

    What do you think?

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    • redqueen says:

      I have the quincunx aspect between mars and pluto , mars in taurus , pluto in libra. I totally relate to everything written abt mars in negative aspect to pluto. Today i slapped my mother-in-law hard several times and threw water on her face over a small issue. But the pressure had been building up in me for quite some days. My mother-in-law also has mars square pluto but we dont have any mars-pluto inter-aspects through synastry. My mother-in-law of course tried to retaliate and defend her self but of course she’s no match in front of me !! I have venus trine pluto and sun sesquiquadrate pluto natally. My mother-in-law has venus square pluto and sun sextile pluto natally also but i have several positive pluto (me being pluto) aspects in synastry with her except one (sun sesquiquadrate pluto-me as pluto again) – guess thats why she’s no match for me !!

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  39. gracehoper says:

    If one uses the south node as an indicator of the past life, as many astrologers do, then mine is conjunct the Ascendant from the 12th, and my Ascendant is also conjunct Sirius and the midpoint of my Sun and Moon. It repeats twice in my chart actually– two bundles.

    I have Saturn in the 12th conjunct the antiscio of my Ascendant and my South Node, and then I have the Antiscion of my Saturn conjunct my Ascendant and South Node. So it's a double signature of past life solitude. It could mean I spent my entire last life in solitary confinement so some sort– religious, penitentiary, or whatever, and I just haven't adjusted in this life.

    My North Node is conjunct my Descendant, of course, indicating that in this life I should move towards partnerships with others. But if you look at my chart you will see that the ruler of my 7th is the Greater Malefic Saturn and he is placed in the 12th where he has been conjunct my progressed Sun for years. So even besides the progressed accursedness, having the ruler of your 7th in the 12th does not speak well of having a happy marriage. And indeed, I've never had a relationship last longer than 3 months.

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  40. Michelle says:

    Those connections are fascinating. Saturn is your SN ruler, right? Having the ruler of the NN in the same house as the SN makes me think that there are still fears to be face, and that dealing with isolation, coming to terms with it, is part of the path to the North Node.

    I think I've had at least one lifetime of having taken a vow of silence and/or celibacy. My SN is in the 9th, in Taurus, loosely conjunct Vesta. I then have Mercury conjunct Chiron, in partile square to Saturn- speaking to people is an issue for me, I get anxious, but it's not an anxiety disorder. It's more like I'm actually reluctant to speak. I'm so comfortable with silence that it makes other people uncomfortable.

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  41. gracehoper says:

    My SN is in Cancer so the ruler is the Moon in Virgo in the 3rd. While the North Node is in Capricorn on the 7th cusp, with the ruler, Saturn in Gemini, in the 12th. Funny that they are both disposited by Mercury at 9 Taurus, which sextiles/trines my Nodes at 10 Can/Cap. I'm with you– I'm one of those people who are totally comfortable with silence in general, altho when I'm in public I tend to go into cute/clever mode.

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  42. Michelle says:

    So somehow, talking about isolation issues is part of the solution with Mercury dispositing both rulers. I always wonder about that sextile/trine issue with the Nodes. Maybe there was an opportunity (sextile) with the South Node that you deliberately developed in the past, so this time it is a talent and easily accessible.

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  43. gracehoper says:

    Interesting, Olivia– as I also have the quincunx and I was abused as a child. Pluto in Libra conjunct the IC, the traditional significator of the Father, exactly quincunx Mars in Pisces. It wasn't until my Sun progressed to trine that natal Pluto that the man who abused me left my life, but his stamp was buried deep in me.

    I don't find that I have the temper problems you do, though. Instead, I always seem very calm, and never show my anger, but instead silently plot revenge with a smile on my face. Then, when the time is right, I strike out with all of my power, taking out my enemy with one single strike, removing them from my life with all the viciousness I can muster.

    Then I go back to being calm/happy. :)

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  44. Erika says:

    I have the trine and it makes it much easier to control anger. Especially since it is an air sign trine (Mars in Gemini, Pluto in Libra), it is easy for me to rationalize it or think away anger. I can be very loudly competitive when it comes to games or sports though (Mars in 5th) but I usually keep it under control.

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  45. Michelle says:

    That makes sense that you would rationalize your anger. Do you have a lot of Air in your chart?

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  46. Michelle says:

    That makes sense that you would rationalize your anger. Do you have a lot of Air in your chart?

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  47. Erika says:

    Actually, I have more fire – Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter in Leo – but in the 7th house. I do have an Aquarius rising though and some of the more emotional/action planets are in air signs – Moon and Pluto in Libra, Mars in Gemini. Thanks to the Libra influence I always see both sides of an issue, write pro and con lists, lol.

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  48. Michelle says:

    Do people go to you for relationship advice?

    My dad has a Libra Moon with Venus and Mars in Aqarius and a whole lot of fire- family members always go to him for advice.

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  49. Erika says:

    When I was younger people would ask me for relationship advice. Now it seems as though everyone I know is married and I am not so they wouldn't come to a single person for advice! Mostly though people come to me for encouragement or help making decisions. If they are feeling unsure about something/themselves they know I will build them up. This actually goes for people I just met also, everyone tells me their life story within a matter of minutes! I have actually been told by more than a few people that I am very calm and calming. It is so interesting when I think about why this is astrologically, most of my personal planets are in the 7th house opp. the ascendant or in Libra – people need me and I need them.

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  50. Janelle says:

    “Mars-Pluto people are flat-out nicer when they’ve physically exhausted themselves or satisfied their blood-lust.”

    Yes yes yes! Mars conjunct Pluto in Scorpio! I am so much nicer when I have danced for 5 hours straight even if my ankle swells like a mellon the next morning. I am so much nicer when I kick box, or run & play or do cartwheels. The more I sweat the nicer I am. I smile, I sing, I talk to people! I like the challenge. I really should engage more in these activites. Being cooped up in school and at work makes me silent and edgy and in my head I am taking people out with kung fu. My sarcasm goes through the roof when I'm not moving that energy and I know I come off as aloof because I am afraid I could knock someone out if I don't keep my distance.

    I'm learning to embrace that raw side of me, the side that wants to wrestle and learn how to kick ass, and have rough sex, shoot silencer guns, and drive cars really fast. There is a beast inside of me and if embraced maybe we could be allies and hella sexy at that. :)

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  51. Michelle says:

    I can relate to everything you wrote, especially, “Being cooped up in school and at work makes me silent and edgy and in my head I am taking people out with kung fu.” It's energy that needs to come out, or watch out! :D I can only imagine what it's like for you with both planets in Scorpio.

    Thank you for reading Janelle :)

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    • fishly says:

      oh shit. my loverboi’s like that. Mars conjunct Pluto in Scorpio. I’m Mars in Taurus opposite Pluto in Scorpio. 
      I suppose we handle each other’s anger well (we hardly get mad at each other, partially because my strong Pisces Sun and Mercury in 3rd House influence emphasizes on strong communication in the relationship). And he teaches me a lot about anger management in a way too…

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  52. Janelle says:

    “Mars-Pluto people are flat-out nicer when they’ve physically exhausted themselves or satisfied their blood-lust.”

    Yes yes yes! Mars conjunct Pluto in Scorpio! I am so much nicer when I have danced for 5 hours straight even if my ankle swells like a mellon the next morning. I am so much nicer when I kick box, or run & play or do cartwheels. The more I sweat the nicer I am. I smile, I sing, I talk to people! I like the challenge. I really should engage more in these activites. Being cooped up in school and at work makes me silent and edgy and in my head I am taking people out with kung fu. My sarcasm goes through the roof when I'm not moving that energy and I know I come off as aloof because I am afraid I could knock someone out if I don't keep my distance.

    I'm learning to embrace that raw side of me, the side that wants to wrestle and learn how to kick ass, and have rough sex, shoot silencer guns, and drive cars really fast. There is a beast inside of me and if embraced maybe we could be allies and hella sexy at that. :)

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  53. Michelle says:

    I can relate to everything you wrote, especially, “Being cooped up in school and at work makes me silent and edgy and in my head I am taking people out with kung fu.” It's energy that needs to come out, or watch out! :D I can only imagine what it's like for you with both planets in Scorpio.

    Thank you for reading Janelle :)

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  54. Don says:

    Which Mars-Pluto aspect would you say is the most destructive of them all? I've only been studying astrology for a couple months or so and am still trying to figure the aspects out. I have the Mars Opposition Pluto, myself, with Mars in Taurus and Pluto in Scorpio, and know full well how powerful my temper can be. I daresay it makes my body feel like a raging volcano. When all that energy rises up to the surface, it simply MUST be released. But after the shooting magma has finally run its course, I often feel a sense of overwhelming calmness and for a while, I'm actually the most easygoing laidback person I know. Lol! Until the volcano fills up again, which happens far more frequently than I'd like. But like the article says, going out to do exercise for a while, or some kind of physical labor, often does the trick and alleviates much of the stress.

    As much of a curse this Mars-Plutonian aspect can be, I'm actually very grateful and proud to have it, because it puts a good amount of fire into what would be an otherwise passive chart for me. :)

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  55. Michelle says:

    …my body feel like a raging volcano…But after the shooting magma has finally run its course, I often feel a sense of overwhelming calmness and for a while
    Yes, that's exactly it :D

    Which Mars-Pluto aspect would you say is the most destructive of them all?
    I think it depends on the rest of the chart. If you have other strong Scorpio, Aries or 8th house placements, then you are already used to that kind of energy and may be able to handle it better. But, if you're all Gemini, Cancer or Pisces with a Mars/Pluto, aspect it might be more difficult.

    The opposition often seems to show people who project their anger outward. That can help them fight on behalf of causes and people. The square shows dynamic inner tension and internal stress which can lead to the person snapping. The conjunction doesn't have the capacity to stand back and take a look at itself- it's subjective. Conjunction people seem to have trouble recognizing their behavior because it's just who they are.

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    • Jara says:

      What about trine, quintile, biquintile, semi-sextile?

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        People with those aspects don’t seem to relate to the tension in this planet combination – especially the people who have the trine. Mars trine Pluto people seem to be a little unaware of how strong they come off sometimes without trying. I haven’t seen that many charts with the quintile and biquintile of these two; I’d have to look them up to get a better idea of exactly how it would work.

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    • Anonymous says:

      “The conjunction doesn’t have the capacity to stand back and take a look at itself- it’s subjective. Conjunction people seem to have trouble recognizing their behavior because it’s just who they are.” I have this in Libra. And you are right, I am not capable of scrutinizing my actions. Its just the way it is. To me, it is totally unnecessary. I guess I am all about energy and thats all. I am a cancerian but my ascendant aries and I have jupiter in scorpio. I do not fight like barbarian. Does jupiter make scorpio strong in someone’s chart?

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      • Michelle says:

        Does jupiter make scorpio strong in someone’s chart?
        Supposedly Jupiter’s placement shows where we can experience luck, but I’ve noticed that it can also mean too much of a good thing. It doesn’t really show a stronger placement, but it could show luck through Scorpion pursuits, or a tendency to overdo it when it comes to Scorpio traits.

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        • Anonymous says:

          its in my 8th house. ive read from somewhere that jupiter in scorpio gives luck in therapy or healing. also ive read from somewhere, its lucky with inheritances. i think i have this both. mom owns 3 islands. or i guess i might marry someone who is filthy rich.

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          • Michelle says:

            You might. It could give luck with inheritances. Luck with healing is a potential. I think some of that would depend on Jupiter’s aspects.

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          • LB says:

            It’s been so long, I don’t know if you’ll even read this, but I have Jupiter in Scorpio (in the 3rd) and I’ve had luck through inheritances and healing (using my hands).  Wish I’d known when I was younger.  I also have the Mars/Pluto aspect.

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            • amoureuse says:

               we are the sam excet that they fell into differt houses…

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  56. Don says:

    Thanks for that! It's hard to find this kind of information in that sort of detail.

    Pisces is bad for dealing with a Mars/Pluto aspect, huh? Shucks. :) Pisces is my sun sign and is quite strong throughout the rest of my chart, but I'm also very Plutonian and Scorpionic in nature. The only planet I have in Scorpio is its home planet Pluto, which is the most aspected planet in my chart. I have no planets in the 8th House, but I do have Pluto in the 1st House, which I'm told is a strong placement for it.

    A lot of my life has been a sort of battle between the kind forgiving Pisces and the fierce, not so forgiving Scorpio. You never know which side is going to win out. :)

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  57. Michelle says:

    Yes, an angular Pluto is strong and would definitely help you handle the Mars/Pluto energy. Is your Mars in Taurus?

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  58. Don says:

    Yep, my Mars is in Taurus. But don't hold that against me. :P I know that the Mars in Taurus is slow to anger, though once it finally is, the target better run and fast! Add that Taurean slowness to my Piscean tendencies, and I'm usually an easygoing person. But underneath that surface is that easily angered and often volcanic temper, which I would never release on anyone unless I thought they were negative a**holes and deserved it. It used to be that I would hold everything in until I reached the boiling point, then the next person to offend me would take the full force of the blast, regardless of whether he or she was the source of most of what I've held in to that point.

    You said in the article about us Mars-Pluto aspect folks, “They have to do something with their energy. If they sit on it, they can become abusive, resentful, destructive and bitter.” I am a true EXPERT of sitting on that energy, pushing it down with all my might, keeping it in and doing my best to pretend that it isn't there, which I had done for most of my life. This never brought me anything but extreme explosiveness when I finally did go off, and led me into a pit of incredible bitterness and resentment towards practically everyone around me which it's taken me years to climb out of.

    Now I'm trying to work with this energy. I know it's a part of me, but it's not all there is to me, so I'm learning to balance it out as best I can. And in tough situations, this energy could even come in very handy by saving my life. Muhammad Ali and many other great fighters were said to have Mars-Pluto aspects in their charts. Yep, my Mars is in Taurus. But don't hold that against me. :P I know that the Mars in Taurus is slow to anger, though once it finally is, the target better run and fast! Add that Taurean slowness to my Piscean tendencies, and I'm usually an easygoing person. But underneath that surface is that easily angered and often volcanic temper, which I would never release on anyone unless I thought they were negative a**holes and deserved it. It used to be that I would hold everything in until I reached the boiling point, then the next person to offend me would take the full force of the blast, regardless of whether he or she was the source of most of what I've held in to that point.

    You said in the article about us Mars-Pluto aspect folks, “They have to do something with their energy. If they sit on it, they can become abusive, resentful, destructive and bitter.” I am a true EXPERT of sitting on that energy, pushing it down with all my might, keeping it in and doing my best to pretend that it isn't there, which I had done for most of my life. This never brought me anything but extreme explosiveness when I finally did go off, and led me into a pit of incredible bitterness and resentment towards practically everyone around me which it's taken me years to climb out of.

    Now I'm trying to work with this energy. I know it's a part of me, but it's not all there is to me, so I'm learning to balance it out as best I can. And in tough situations, this energy could even come in very handy by saving my life. Muhammad Ali and many other great fighters were said to have Mars-Pluto aspects in their charts.

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    • fishly says:

      Oh Don, we’re so alike regarding this aspect placement! I’m a Sun in Pisces, Mars in Taurus, and Pluto in Scorpio too! (zomg)

      Though Pisces Sun in 3rd House, Taurus Mars in 5th House, and Scorpio Pluto (Rx) in 11th House…. Oppositions indeed would Oppose when the situation calls for it :)I kinda wrote about this in a reply to another comment above….

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  59. Don says:

    Crap! Sorry about the double post.

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  60. Michelle says:

    The other thing that happens with the opposition is that you can unknowingly force other people to act out your anger for you: you don't express your anger as other people in your life explode with rage.

    I do think that Mars/Pluto would be the best aspect to have in a life-threatening situation.

    I edited out the duplicate part of your comment :D

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  61. Jara says:

    Took me awhile, but I’m back and have finished reading the entire article. I agree: let’s understand the past, then work with maximizing the potential of our aspects.

    I have Mars trine Pluto in air signs. And some other Pluto aspects, as well, so it’s hard for me to tell where the “I feel powerful” is coming from but what I know is this: If I’m in a battle that I wanna win, the other person will lose. Period. Unless the other person also has Mars-Pluto. Then good luck to us both. May the best aspect win. lol

    My father used to whip me when I was younger, sometimes 3 times in the same day. One day, I made up my mind that if he did it again, I was gonna kill him. I brought a knife upstairs to my room. I think I had murder on my face the last time he hit me bc he never did it like that again – despite believing that he had a right to hit me (at 16!). A few years later, we were riding in the car and he grabbed my wrist. Instinctively, I grabbed his hand and bent his fingers back all the way and I wouldn’t let go until he admitted that his behavior was inappropriate. He wouldn’t. So we were swerving on the freeway. I didn’t give a damn if we all crashed. I told him if he ever put his hands on me again in a violent way, I would kill him. No more issues since then. His Sun is in Libra and my Pluto is in Libra. Oh, and I have Sun square Pluto.

    So many more stories to tell of people initiating verbal and physical battles with me, thinking that I’d be an easy target but then they get shocked when I give them a sample of what I’m holding back (for THEIR benefit). My Mars is no joke.

    How do I use it now? Well, I channel my energy into fighting on behalf of social justice causes. I’m very good at knowing how much pressure to apply to get people to do what I want them to do…but I use it sparingly.

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  62. Michelle says:

    That’s a powerful story Jara, thank you for sharing it.

    I don’t want to go too much into my personal history but I also experienced physical violence of that kind when I was younger, but mostly as an observer.

    Do you ever find that you have to restrain yourself from acting out in the same way? Feel free to message me privately if you feel like responding.

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      I don’t know how to message you privately. The simple answer is yes, but my first instinct isn’t to react physically.

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  63. vision says:

    i like very much this article but i think that some mars-pluto layers is left untold…i have had a friend who i know for 10 years with the square and have an ex-girlfriend with the opposition, i won’t give a full personnal description far darker than what is said here whilst i crave to do it but what i can say :
    i have mars square neptune : feel victimized, being bullied
    by mars square pluto people: those who bully with cruelty
    no more people like this for me, so much pain they have done to me, so much…

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    • Michelle says:

      Hi vison,

      There are many layers about Mars/Pluto that I did not address in this post. I did not want to write the “Mars/Pluto post that ends all Mars/Pluto posts.”

      I’m sorry that you have experienced the darker possibilities for this combination. I do plan to address some of those issues in future posts, but for this particular post, I wanted to keep it simple.

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  64. Taís Madeira says:

    “I let the beast in too soon
    I don’t know how to live without my hand on his throat
    I fight him always and still
    O’ darling, it’s so sweet
    You think you know how crazy, how crazy I am
    You say you don’t spook easy
    You won’t go, but I know
    And I pray that you will”
    (Fiona Apple, Fast As You Can)

    Fiona is a Virgo, Mars in Cancer Square Pluto in Libra.

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    • Michelle says:

      Thank you Tais- I didn’t realize Fiona and I have the same square :)

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  65. Michelle says:

    it scared me so bad that I slowly learned how to control it because I didn’t want to hurt anyone, though at times it can be a helpful force when people try to bully me. :-)

    It does come in handy when people attempt to push you around ;)

    The force of anger can be frightening. Mars in Scorpio has a good flow of powerful energy all on its own. The Scorp stellium doesn’t hurt either!

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  66. tauruschic says:

    My 12th house Mars in Leo sextiles my 2nd house Pluto in Libra. My first instint when someone annoys me is to ‘smash their face’ in, but of course I never do. It is just the first urge that I have. I even imagine myself actually doing it. I have bottomless energy. I can function normally on three hours sleep, a full work day and still make it to the gym, where I will sweat it out on the treadmill, wanting to outdo the poor soul on the next treadmill.

    My steel will is unwavering too, maybe this has something to do with my Taurus sun. I do not let my anger show, but lo and behold the moment that it finally does – Mars in the 12th and Taurus sun.

    The Mars/Pluto energy has manifested in negative ways, especially when I was younger. Was one approached by a stranger who asked for my number, I declined. I got on the bus home, and unbeknown to me, he was following the bus. When I got off, all I remember seeing is the man next to me, and he roughed up my arm and wouldn’t let go. All this happened in broad daylight and I was very shaken!

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    • Michelle says:

      Did you develop any self-protection skills or behaviors after the incident with the guy on the bus?

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      Did you develop any self-protection skills or behaviors after the incident with the guy on the bus?

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  67. Aycan Aşkım says:

    I know the aspect… I have Mars conjunction Pluto and Uranus… Very different energy, before I’m not aware of this energy life is more difficult to handle, but now I’m aware of this v aspect. Yoga helped a lot to make it ‘controlled burn’.

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    • Michelle says:

      I think it’s difficult sometimes to recognize how our particular energy may be different than that of other people. Because of that, it can take a while to understand that we may need take extra steps to deal with our specific energy – and not just with Mars/Pluto aspects. I hope that made sense.

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  68. dollsizedpistol says:

    I have a nearly exact sextile. I definitely have a “don’t f*** with me” quality, though it’s not on display all the time.
    If it’s triggered all I have to do is give a hard look… my anger is there for me to channel and use powerfully to get my message across. It can be kind of fun if the situation calls for it. Not fun when the anger takes me over and is directing my actions, which doesn’t happen too often, but it is nice to be in situations where you can use your anger as powerful tool for a righteous cause.

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    • Michelle says:

      It’s a kind of energy that can ward off potentially threatening situations or people.

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  69. amoureuse says:

    I Have this aspect. Mars conjunct pluto in Libra. But contrary I am non-combative. Infact I hate barbarism and argument. I ran away when there is conflict on any aggression. Btw, I also got Saturn in it. So they are stellium in Libra. Does it explain why? But I gues the killer in me goes out in my art works. I paint which I think is good. What do you think about this Mich?

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    • Michelle says:

      I think that’s about right. Having this aspect in Libra, with Saturn involved, does change it quite a bit. I don’t know how to phrase this, but do you think you are combative in a non-aggressive way? Do you get what you want by pursuing certain relationships?

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      • Anonymous says:

        Omg, you are definitely right. I am combative in a diferent way. sort of subtle. I have this inner “what i want, i get” mentality. It is in my 6th house libra. you are right there are relationships that I pursue mostly romantic one. I get pretty aggressive in bed. haha. my ex use to tell me that i am utterly sensual. perhaps this inner rage is diffused that gives this sort of illusion. what i dont understand is that what does it mean when it is located in the 6th house. does it make any diffferent?

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        • Michelle says:

          You might get into power struggles with coworkers or employees. Maybe you bring your sexuality to work with you, meaning that you have relationships with your coworkers. You could even experience sexual discrimination or harassment at work – has that happened to you?

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          • Anonymous says:

            oh god… well, not really harrassed as in harrassed but I usually get indecent proposal from bossess which is totally sucks. its one of the reason why i prefer working alone and at home. and also, i expereinced power struggles and politics with co-workers. its just not right. its frustrating

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  70. Leah-nine says:

    OH THANK GOD I’VE FOUND THIS. I recently discovered my Mars/Pluto opposition (with Venus to boot, if you recall from my other 2984274 thousand posts on this topic all over your blog) and it has shed soooo much light on my animalistic temperament. A thousand thank yous, may you never encounter an an angry, unenlightened Mars/Pluto opposition holder. I can hardly handle myself and can’t even imagine how anyone else might do it.

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    • Michelle says:

      I’m glad you like it :D

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  71. Leah-nine says:

    Seriously, I didn’t even finish reading this post before my last comment, and as I’m reading it now ever paragraph speaks to me. I’m calling to cancel my therapist- this is what I have needed!

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  72. Leah-nine says:

    AND (this is the last comment, I promise) I have sun, moon, venus, jupiter and south node all in Leo. Talk about taming the beast… literally!!!

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  73. Mystic Medusa says:

    Hey I have Mars-Pluto-Uranus in Virgo in the 8th and am an astrologer – http://mysticmedusa.com/ – and this is TOTALLY the best Mars-Pluto delineation i have ever read! I have got a grip on mine now- loads of exercise, a creative outlet & meditation/orgasms – but it was a bitch when i was really young…thank you!

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    • Michelle says:

      Thank you Mystic! I love your blog :)

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  74. Zoa says:

    I keep reading your blog and I keep getting amazed at how good it is.

    That being said, I have Mars at 27 Sag semisquare Pluto at 12 Scorpio. Exactly 45 degrees, lucky me.
    I know it is supposed to be a minor aspect, but I don’t experience it that way.
    When I get angry, I get this uncontrollable urge to utterly destroy whatever or whoever made me angry. Add to that a bit of unpredictability (Mars conjunct Uranus) and expand it (Mars trine Jupiter) and what you get is bomb. Tick, tick, tick….
    However, then I breathe, count to 10… Mars conjunct Saturn. I’d rather take all that rage and apply it into something productive.
    And BTW, next time you piss me off, I won’t get mad, I’ll just get even.

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    • Michelle says:

      I’ll just get even
      Does that work for you? What do you do to get even?

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      • Zoa says:

        I tell people what I know will hurt them. I’m very good at finding out other’s motivation and weaknesses. And most of the times it works but I try not to do it since I usually end up feeling bad about it.

        Pluto tightly aspects my ascendant, Moon, Mercury, Venus AND Mars. And the Sun, the only personal planet it doesn’t aspect is in the 8th house… I know the dark side very well, but I am trying to control all the nasty sides of Pluto. Hasn’t been easy but I keep trying.

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        • Anonymous says:

          I thought about this. I have the same aspect but in Libra. I can sense easily the kind of people I am around with. There are people I naturally repel from. Too bad. But its the way it is. Getting even by telling people what will hurt them is the best way to “kill” someone. Not physically but on the spiritual level. Crippling them to their core. Mess up their minds etc etc. Nothing is meanier than that.

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        • Michelle says:

          I can relate but I definitely feel like this,

          “And most of the times it works but I try not to do it since I usually end up feeling bad about it. “

          Which is why I usually don’t do it. The momentary victory doesn’t last.

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  75. Chandra says:

    Wow i’m so glad I found this! very very nice article. I have mars-conjunct pluto in scorpio in the 2nd house. Its crazy how obsessive I get and my temper. I’ve learned over the years how to control it (i’m now 25). It was horrible in relationships though. Its like I have a good and bad bad side, that only I know about, and sometimes it scares me. Anyway nice concept, enjoyed all of it!

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    • Michelle says:

      Thanks Chandra, I’m glad you liked it.

      Its like I have a good and bad bad side, that only I know about, and sometimes it scares me
      I think that those of us with this aspect need to find a way to integrate the bad side and not try to hide. This doesn’t mean that we openly throw tantrums, but we can’t pretend that our tempers don’t exist.

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  76. Michelle says:

    i’m really drawn to francis bacon paintings, he has the square.
    OMFG! I love Francis Bacon! I was going to do a comparison of him and Lady Gaga (in her meat dress) – they both have an Aries Sun and Scorpio Moon.

    I had the good fortune to see an exhibition of his paintings a few years ago <3

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    • Apocalypticsmurf says:

      bacon’s birthday is somewhere between Oct 28-30.  maybe he has those positions reversed, w/ aries moon.  would seem appropriate from the very fast way he professed liking to work.

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      • Michelle says:

        I wasn’t aware that his birthday was for debate. He was extremely shy growing up – very, very reserved. Have you read any of the biographies on him?

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  77. EJ says:

    The chained beast within…it’s like what Gary Oldman said as Dracula “There is much to be learned from beasts.”

    Speaking in part, from the context of Mars sitting between Pluto and Saturn/Scorpio in House 4. Pluto square ascendant and mercury (6th house) and Pluto biquintile my 8th house sun. I never knew my father either but I still have brief memories; my neptune is near the cusp of the 6th house too, in sextile to Pluto. I was taught that it’s wrong to defend myself against abuse if I don’t understand why they verbally or physically fight with me or others. I used to feel bad when I thought I never appreciated what my mother provided, but I realized that every gesture, phone call and visit resulted in an attempt to hang anything over my head. I’ve always felt more comfortable being my own provider since I was 10. I don’t speak to my family much anymore since it was more than enough to have my mother tell me the lies she deliberately spread about me because I didn’t deserve a family. Never had an ounce of privacy or human respect; constant power struggle between my mother and her husband, my silence and staying out the way were the only elements anyone appreciated. I was pretty much a ghost. Never a moment of inner security and safety.

    Her moon and Jupiter fall in my 12th house; I used to think of her as protection when I was very young. It’s very confusing because her words never reflected her actions and vice versa. Anyway, after finding my b. father’s birthdate I ran a chart for the three of us and both of my stelliums make a conjunction to their south nodes but in different signs. Their Saturn falls in my 8th house, but in different signs. My b. father’s sun, mercury and jupiter fall in my 8th house and he’s a Pisces. Saturn and venus conjunct my sun as well. His north node sits right on my ascendant as my mother’s south node sits in my 4th house.

    Transiting Pluto through House 6 has been interesting so far…more bullying but at work. Before that it was with my ex. I just find it disturbing that one too many people have advised me to slap a smile on my face at all times and accept it. Not because it’ll make me feel better but because it’ll make them feel better for not having to see and acknowledge it. I notice that people step back when they do see me even though I don’t try to be intimidating. As though it’s safer for them to continue as blundering idiots, dancing in circles around me like I’m something tied up over a pit fire. It’s disturbing to know someone’s train of thought as they look at you like there’s nothing you can do about it since the truth is ugly and no one wants to be wrong, so they project it onto you.

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  78. Anonymous says:

    This was a fantastic article, thanks! I have been reading up about two of my major aspects, Mars opp. Pluto and Mars sq. Saturn.  With my mars in aries, these are two major areas of my life that I have to work on.
    I feel the Pluto/Mars opposition sometimes makes me unaware how powerful I seem to others.  I often feel small and hmmm “feminin”(?) when needing to be assertive and sometimes confrontational.  It astounds me to no end that so many people tell me how much power and energy they see me as having, as I don’t see it.  Or feel that I am “putting on a show” of being more powerful than I am.  On the other hand I am a bit of a hot head (mars in aries, 6th house), luckily tempered by a taurus moon in the seventh.  I *am* capable of controlling my rage, usually knowing not to overstep a major boundary even when enraged.  If I have a fight with my husband it can take all my self-control, but I have never (at least knowingly!) been absolutely soul-breakingly mean to him, even though the thoughts run through my head and I really want to throw them at him.  Maybe that is saturn? But the need to slam doors, rattle dishes (never breaking anything, knowing full well I will regret it later) never goes away and makes me feel childish.
    I wonder how pluto being in the 12th house (libra) and retrograde opposing a 6th house mars in aries that is also squared a 9th house saturn in cancer work together/against each other and what the best course of action is to get these aspects under control.  I especially feel that Saturn (my only water planet) rules my life and inhibits my mars, which in turn influences how it interacts with pluto.  Mars is also conjunct jupiter in aries, and with 6 tight aspects is my strongest planet.
    As you wrote and someone else commented, it feels best to be physically exhuasted.  I have come to the conclusion that I really need to get into something physical to feel truly satisfied and happy.  Thanks for shedding light on this!

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    • Michelle says:

      On the other hand I am a bit of a hot head Hothead is the perfect word for this combination. It’s so funny to me that you’re 
      using it because I only realized how well it fits me a few months ago.

      Maybe that is saturn? 
      Probably – a healthy use of restraint.

      never goes away and makes me feel childish
      Yes!

      Thank you for reading lintlin.

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    • LB says:

      Mars square Pluto here.  When I was a teenager, I once threw a glass at a large sliding patio window – thankfully it missed the glass and hit the metal frame at the center.   Regret and feeling childish, yep I relate.  If it’s any consolation to you, it CAN get better.  I’m in my early 50′s now and haven’t slammed a door in years.  Plus, it takes much more now to get me to that point -  I’m  practically a saint (lol!)

      I also have Pluto in the 12th – for me it’s been about learning to distinguish between those things I can control versus the things I can’t.  Once I’ve taken right action, I have to release my attachment to outcome and let go of my need for external validation.  12th house Pluto asks us to surrender.

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  79. annette says:

    I am soo impressed by this description. My sister has this aspect, mars pluto conjunct in 8 and she is a workhorse. But also she recently closed my young son’s savings account without me knowing (fraudulently) to keep her business afloat and when I asked her why she did not ask me for that money she answered I would have said no. Which I would have, as money is very tight at present and that was for emergencies. We fell out over this (she with me as I asked for payback) and she is our only living family left.
    My mars is in the third house (siblings), nr IC, opposed saturn and square sun/moon in 12. Makes sense now. Both my parents Plutos are on my mars too.

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    • Michelle says:

      Interesting dynamics in your chart related to your sister.  I know a man with a similar tendency: he does what he wants and doesn’t mention it till later, for the same reason your sister stated -if he asked permission first he might get rejected. Unfortunately I don’t know if he has a Mars/Pluto aspect.

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  80. MB224 says:

    Superb read but Humans are animals, whether or not they have Mars-Pluto.  But we continue to operate under this idea that humans are not animals, that it is somehow a lower-level of human to have something in common with animals.  Nonsense and irrational. Mars-Pluto people have things in common with PREDATORS. It’s not a coincidence that both the first photo and the Tarot card have Predators being reigned in by humans. That’s what the Will and Mind do with the powerful drives of Mars-Pluto. 

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  81. Micheline says:

    Michelle brilliant.  I have this combination as I have this stellium in the 2nd house with uranus too.  Great writing and insight.  

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    • Michelle says:

      Thank you for reading Micheline.

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  82. Gabby R. says:

    I have Mars in Scorpio and I love pulling weeds since I was a kid :)) 
    My horse has a wide Mars-Pluto conj. He is really nice, not agressive at all from the ground. But every time I ride him, I have to fight him over to get him work with me, not against me. Quite labor intensive for me :))

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    • Michelle says:

      That is so awesome that you know your horse’s chart! Oh how I wish I had known the charts of my animals.

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  83. Rthoma37 says:

    I have a mars (taurus) opposite pluto(scorpio) and really do have a serious temper. I’m afraid of how far I can go if I ever lose my control of my feelings. When someone irritates me turning the other cheek is very hard, because I want be satisfied until I punched them as hard as I can. My moon trine saturn helps me control my emotions, but I can’t tolerate someone even thinking they can get away with toying with me. My emotional control has its negatives and positives, I sometimes regret being so emotionally controlled when I want to let lose, but I know my actions can put me in a prison somewhere. People don’t understand that I need to exercise everyday and play sports as much as a can. I guess its my Pisces Sun and Venus trine Ascendant that makes me so unsuspecting. I’m a nice person with a hair trigger temper, but people don’t see the beast waiting to attack if wronged. Sometimes I can be a walking time bomb.

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    • Michelle says:

      It’s funny how people can be oblivious to what’s boiling underneath. It’s always the quiet ones ;)

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  84. Scythe404 says:

    Ack. So accurate.

    Sagittarius Mars (5th) Semi-Sextile a Scorpio Pluto (4th house). Pluto in the 4th house might represent something hidden and intense in the family sphere, but that intensity sure can’t be sealed away in the 4th when Mars comes out to play! Mars Trine Jupiter is said to be a luck aspect, and yeah, it can help, but here it just inflates the scarily accurate above reading of Mars/Pluto aspects. Everything above x2. Energy levels through the roof? Oh yeah!

    “Mars-Pluto people, who aren’t punching walls, throwing things, yelling,
    stewing in their juices or running someone off the road, know a thing or
    two about how to handle the beast within”

    Heavy-duty warehouse job 40+ hours per week running on only 3 hours sleep per night for two weeks that time my mom was in the hospital? Oh yeah! And it only took a few nights of over-sleeping to get back to 100%. And I sure am happier after getting beat a bit by my physically demanding job. A good physical thrash is so necessary to my day that I think police or military work might be the only viable long term career for me.

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    • Michelle says:

      Thank you for sharing that, Scythe404. I once worked in a warehouse too. The best part about it was the physical labor. 

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  85. Mathias S says:

    Apparently the perpetrator of the horrific killings in Norway recently has a Mars trine Pluto aspect.
    In light of that your description above is bone-chilling, actually, as well as spot on. Seems to fit his personality very well, at least according to the news….

    Have a Pluto sextile Mars myself and know all about banging on walls, yelling etc. and the values of getting the energy out and balanced through exercise(karate), meditation, proper eating etc.

    Thanks for an interesting piece!

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    • Michelle says:

      It’s interesting how the “easy” aspects often seem more destructive – perhaps because there is nothing to impede the flow or energy, or to create a need for self-reflection. Thank you for reading, Mathias S.

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  86. Mazzai Burton says:

    I got mars in pisces and pluto in sagittarius

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    • Michelle says:

      What is your experience of that combination?

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    • Michelle says:

      What is your experience of that combination?

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      • Mazzai Burton says:

        Well I’m very very very slow to anger and once I do get to that point Watch Out!!! because I could use words or my hits to attack you depending on how angry I can get.But I don’t know what the reason why that I’m very very very slow to anger because I have Mars in Pisces in the 3rd house and my Moon in Pisces in the 4th house.My Pluto in Sagittarius in the 1st house.

        My story is one time when I was little I was getting hurt by my step-dad and I was so so so so angry that I was cursing to him and I think I hit him too.

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        • Michelle says:

          Maybe it takes a while to realize how angry you are?

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    • Michelle says:

      What is your experience of that combination?

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  87. Tiziano says:

    here is another Pluto – Mars one….
    i got opposition, mars in aries! …  well i may testify how reactive and hot heade i can be expecially when i find myself into ‘dangerous’ situations, or when fear entrap me.   i HAVE to yell out, and fight.
    i cannot ignore the dare.  but that’s not means i am violent on purpose.  in fact despite my taurus sign, which let me search for quite places and life, my aries – mars – pluto, comes out right when my deepest values are touched, when my fear reach a danger zone, when my emotions create big pressure around me.   in those cases (few, but essentials) i face fear, and i fight. i mean , it’s like something inside me, is “searching” for adrenaline and risk  when the times requires.  plus… i have moon in aries, conjunct (9° orb) with mars…  so i think, my burning reaction comes out principally by an emotional wave that makes me ‘feel’ danger more than see it with my own eyes.

    people are confused because of this paradox about me.  i am quite and i like to be like that, so they judge me that way once…  untill the experience my reaction.   

    the moon next to mars, makes me “moony” somehow, it doesn’t necessarly makes me burn all the times, but just in specific and precise situations, expecially the family’s ones.
    once, my father used to desrespect me while i was in need of his help… (for a very sensitive matter in my life)
    i felt so betrayed….   that feeling, that deep feeling of betray…    got me burned suddendly. my reaction was freaken scary, but not violent.  he never did that again.

    this is why i always liked dangerous sports like motor sports or martial arts, cause the combine “power” speed, “violence” but with a search for perfection and controll…    which is a nice short description of mars-pluto aspect.

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    • Michelle says:

      The reactive quality of your Mars/Pluto opposition is probably the influence of the Moon in Aries conjunct Mars in Aries.

      Thank you for reading, Tiziano.

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  88. Aliperti2 says:

    Or you control your power or you power control your self. You describe  exactly the interaction between planets and I think the pictures are perfect, it said more them any word, it’s unbelievable!

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    • Michelle says:

      Thank you :)

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  89. Astrobie says:

    Nice. In my previous comment, I mentioned that Pluto is not that considered as main planet in horoscope however we cannot ignore its impact. And here we can read the exact reflection of it when it shake hands with Mars. 
    Agreed with Mystic Medus and thank for giving their valuable time on the post.

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    • Michelle says:

      Thank you for reading, Astrobie.

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  90. xo Ro says:

    My dad and I have the Mars-Pluto square, my mum has the opposition and my sister; the trine. My mum and I both have Pluto opposite the Asc. Oh, and my Mars squares my Asc, and opposes Saturn (I really don’t identify with Mars.) I think along with the Pluto, that’s a T-square? Liz Greene’s book ‘the Astrology of Fate’ is incredibly interesting on how Pluto often indicates family inheritances.

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    • Michelle says:

      Is your Mars conjunct an angle (the IC or MC)?

      Thank you for reading, xo Ro.

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  91. knotinkansas says:

    So then, what the hell is Mars in the 1st square Uranus combust Pluto in the 5th going to do. WOW. No wonder people have been leery of me my whole life. Ha!

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    • Michelle says:

      Are you into extreme sports?

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  92. Ile says:

    Hi Michelle,
    I recently found your blog and I’m very happy for that. You have many great articles and I learn a lot from you.
    This post immediately got my intention because I struggle with Mars-Pluto conjunction square Sun.
    Mars and Pluto are in Scorpio in 4th, and Sun is in Aquarius in 7th: a tremendous instinctive anger, which if not stopped (usually by my control over it), it can lead to violence. 
    Usually, I’m very nice guy and people around love me (I have Cancer Asc and Libra moon, you can imagine what impression I leave), but no one knows (only a few people) that this very instinctive anger is underneath my outer form. 
    What I found is that this anger often arises when someone is doing some non-respectful thing to me (dishonor me), I want Justice (Libra Moon at IC).  My self-image is very fragile, it is connected also with the self-worth and self-valuation issues (I have quincunx between Chiron and Venus, Chiron in 11th Venus in 6th, and Venus also makes quincunx with my Asc, which makes it a Yod configuration).
    I think that  this Rage is inherited. My father has a 4th house Mars also, with Sun square in 1st. And his Asc is in exact conjunction to my Mars. BTW Mars and Pluto are 4 degrees orb in my chart.
    It is something being here with generations in my ‘ancestors-land’.
    To me was transferred when I was about 10 years old (now I’m 27), back then my father bitted me in front of my whole neighborhood, all kids laugh at me. I was dishonored and very angry. I remember I’ve no one with whom I can talk about, and I guess in that bitterness the anger and rage gets much stronger and buried in my instinctive nature. I think that this ‘lesson” is related with my Chiron in 11th too (along with Venus quincunx). For years now I’m struggling with my relationships and can’t find a way to express my self into my society (also have n.n in gemini in 11th). 
    Well, it is something on which I work on and search for ways to transform it, to redirect it. 
    I’m a singer-songwriter so one of my ways is expressing this energy through creativity. Though in the 5th I have Uranus lying exactly on my S.N in Sag, and Saturn as a singleton here too.
    Quite a complex chart. :)

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    • Michelle says:

      Healing the anger toward your father is probably the first step. The 4th house is ancestry and it often relates to your dad. It’s great that you’ve found an outlet through singing and songwriting, but still, finding someone who you can talk to will help.

      Thank you for reading, Ile :)

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      • Ile says:

        Yes, it is very instinctive and well hidden beneath the surface anger. It is a process of purification, transformation; there is no magical formula to transform it with one single shoot. I’m pealing it little by little, because there are many Memories (I call the 4th House of Memories) in it, many emotions and events pumping it up, not just with my father, but with other relationships through out my life, which added to that anger. 

        I’m enjoying your blog Michelle, thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. :)
        BTW I can see that you love Tarot Cards. I’m also into tarot. May I recommend you a good book on the subject of tarot, it is called “Tarot Fundamentals” by Paul Foster Case. PFC is a hermetists who is one of the writers of the Kybalion. It is very deep and profound book. 

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        • Michelle says:

          Thank you for the book recommendation. It may take me a while to get to it, my “to-read” list is a mile long!

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          • langley says:

            does the quindecile apply? i have one at about 1 degree orb. all i know is im very ambitious……my whole existence is bent on acquiring power, i am obsessed with power/money…and my first instinct when threatened is to win whichever way…..i may not be the physically energetic type, im more mental……i have a bad temper too though….one time, some guys did a catcall on me, and i charged at them, yelled at them and kicked their chairs. its funny they didnt fight back, they were 2 guys and one girl was there. and people were staring. i get really scary when im angry cause i have pluto conjunct ascendant in scorpio so it really shows in the appearance/aura. they say i look like a super saiyan when im angry. i have scorpio moon conjunct pluto and sun square pluto as well. and i cannot give up on my biggest dreams, even if i feel very disheartened/lose hope, its really a do or die situation for me because i cannot imagine losing on my biggest aspirations. i know i will kill myself if im a permanent failure. 

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            • Michelle says:

              It sounds like you have something going on with Capricorn, Saturn or the 10th house too. I’m not sure how much of an influence a quindecile would have. Do you have some hard Mars aspects too?

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    • Mazzai Burton says:

      Hi
      When you get in rage what do you do ?

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  93. Michelle says:

    Very interesting, langley.

    I’ve had my aura photographed twice. It’s primarily orange, red and yellow. 

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    • langley says:

      i used to have a thing for hurting animals too. i hurt my dogs, i enjoy making them cry..i do not feel much pity for them. but since my 3 month old dog died, i said i would not hurt another dog if i get a dog again. that dog was so sweet, i hurt him but he loves me till his last breath. i used to dream of hunting, skinning animals, deboning them. when we experimented with the frogs at school, i enjoyed dissecting it. i like cutting up raw meat (pork or beef.). its a nice way to express violence in a safe way. my close friend is a wild supporter of animal rights though so il have to find another violent but relatively safe hobby. i dont need to release pressure through violence but i enjoy it…..i enjoy watching lions or predators eat dears or goats. i hate violence against women though. but violence against men, i enjoy watching or im indifferent to it, like i dont feel pity/mercy. they could all rape, torture, kill each other for all i care as long as they dont involve women. im an ardent supporter of women’s rights. dont know why im into women’s rights. i dont care about the poor, hungry, illiterate, sick other human rights causes etc. just women’s rights. i think it has something to do with my past life. 

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  94. Queen_nephtis says:

    Ne, I agree. I get so angry as to thinking of putting a huge bitting angry spider on my boss jacket if he threatened me and tried to be unfair on sadic behaviour.

    I have mars in aquarius square pluto in scorpio and pluto is in 8th house. I have moon venus jupiter  in capricorn in 10th house, so when I SNAP i can get pleasure from people disgrace, even the ones I love. is sad. Once I got so pissed with something small about fiancee, that he was not being sincere, I throw the ring I gave him, and broke the esmerald in it XD it was small and protected inside ring core but i was so pissed hahahahaha. I also destroyed all papers of ex-boyfriend in a fist i ripped all his books, papers, his cap.

    I even thought sometimes I would be able to murder cold bloodly if I had no love or bond to the person, if I didnt know her/him. Sometimes this energy comes and is very scary and I end up thinking I am bad. Is energy that craves for destruction, but the other side of me is scared and doesnt like that. aiai what to do

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    • Michelle says:

      Intense, Queen_nephtis! Thank you for sharing you experience.

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  95. Queen_nephtis says:

    Ah, and one more thing, even when I am angry, I am completly concious of what I am doing, I dont black out. When I threw the ring on the wall it wa slike a cold rage like a vulcan lava slowly creeping and exploding. And usually i laugh when I do it… : ( I feel like Nero now

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    • Michelle says:

      Do you do anything to lessen that energy, like exercise?

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  96. Earnest Dodge says:

    Here’s one I haven’t seen anyone post yet– I have the exact quincunx.  Pluto at 1 Libra (in dissociate conjunction with Virgo IC) quincunx Mars at 1 Pisces.  Mars is unable to see Pluto from Pisces since the two planets are in signs 150 degrees from each other– the very definition of lack of aspect.  We find Mars, the fountainhead of energy, and Pluto, the generational wellspring, in two of the most directionless signs, unable to interact with each other.  And I could indeed be described as very passive, slow, and actionless.  To others it seems like I don’t do much at all.  I hate to be *seen* in action, actually.  I prefer the cover of darkness or solitude.  This shouldn’t be confused with *inability* to act however!  Push me… and it’s a dagger in your heart while you sleep! mwahaha.

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    • Michelle says:

      Acting under the cover of darkness – I like it. It’s interesting to me to read that because I kind of hate being seen doing things too. When I go to the gym I try to go during off hours – like Friday and Saturday nights when it’s dead. I have Mars 10 Cancer square Pluto 10 Libra.

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  97. fishly says:

    “…whatever it is, it had better be physically draining,  violent*, or both. ”
    Mars-Pluto people are flat-out nicer when they’ve physically exhausted themselves or satisfied their blood-lust.”

    You know, I’ve always told some audiences that I can either be your best friend or worst enemy. And that I’ve always wanted to just break fucking bottles on a brick wall (since the age of…16).

    I don’t want to hurt anyone, but at the same time, my anger at [one of] its greatest peak[s] can even frighten me O:)
    P.S. 
    my Taurus Mars in 5th House opposites Scorpio Pluto (yep ;) Retrograde in 11th House.  
    P.P.S. 
    “Outsiders would be surprised to learn just how much self-control Mars-Pluto can have.”

    muahahahaaha (too many people underestimate this Pisces Sun+Mercury)

    P.P.P.S. 
    Thanks for the wonderful blog. (could use a more streamline method of finding posts tho. felt that the Archive’s a bit messy to look through for specific inquiries)

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    • Michelle says:

      Thank you for reading, fishly. I agree with your comment about streamlining navigation. It’s something I’m working on. 

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  98. Jack says:

    Quite spot on from my personal experience, and a fascinating read. I’m Aquarius sun, with Libra moon and Cancer Mars trine to my Scorpio pluto. I’m usually in control of my actions, and tend to be pleasant to others. But I do have a lot of repressed anger and sexuality, and it at times can come out when I least want it to. Probably my moon squaring my mars doesn’t help either. xD

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    • Michelle says:

      Moon square Mars probably doesn’t help ;)

      Thank you for reading, Jack.

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  99. Bradybrad_88 says:

    what about a Mars inconjuct Pluto?
    i can relate to this. Mars is at 10deg and pluto is at 10deg too..
    i also have a pluto square ascendent so the same?
    thanks

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    • Michelle says:

      I’ll be getting to Pluto/Ascendant aspects eventually (I’m working my way through all the angles). If you’re a subscriber you’ll get the article as soon as I write it.

      How would you describe the basic energy of an inconjunct?

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      • Bradybrad_88 says:

        Pretty much what “Earnest Dodge” said, but more. I have a lot of people that seem to be intimidated at the gym, i get a lot of looks, i don’t have to say it aswell, friends tell me and a girl i liked at the gym said a few times, “everyone seems to look at you” but she also called me a “pretty boy” one time too.
        They seem they want to fight me and have had nearly two fights last year out side gym. But when they really get to know me they seem to relax and not be so much when i let my guard down. Also alot of people say i am very Intense person. I feel that too be true, very serious but also laid back, weird. Very emotional too. I think that might be my moon-trine-neptune. Also been told i am very Dreamy.

        I read this and it seemed spot on, have a look at this Michelle:
        http://www.astrologyanswer.com/planets/mars/aspects/mars-and-pluto-in-discordant-aspect-inconjunct-semisextile

        Sorry if i am not aloud to post other websites.

        Also my MARS in ARIES and PLUTO SCORPIO. So i feel that it is a little bit more intense then say “Earnest Dodge” Mars in Pisces and Pluto in Libra? or not?

        My Ascendent is Sag square Pluto aswell.

        Sun Virgo. Moon in Virgo. Juno Leo. Venus Leo. Jupiter Gem and Mercury Libra. Chiron Cancer. Part of FOR Scorpio. Saturn&Uranus SAG.

        Thanks Michelle for your response! :)
        Beautiful website!

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        • Michelle says:

          Thank you for sharing your experiences :)

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  100. Michelle says:

    I’m glad you found something that works for you. Thank you for reading, Manicpixiedreamgirl.

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  101. Valentino-lopez2 says:

    Extremely useful and all articles are of such great accumulative knowledge.

    I have a question that needs to be answered…

    As you said: “Bruce Lee had a Mars-Pluto square”. 

    What do I need to know what I am?
    D.O.B: 07/09/88
    Location: Redditch worcester, UK

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    • Michelle says:

      What you need is to go over to astro.com, click on free horoscopes, then AstroClick Portrait and enter your birth data. This interactive chart will allow you to click on any part of your natal chart to find which aspects you have.

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  102. Tug says:

    I have Mars Pluto conjunct. In Virgo. I think the Virgo thing helps :)

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  103. Allan1717 says:

    Nice read. I got Sun conjunct Mars trine Pluto…I could relate to allot of this. I got endless energy, but I do have anger management problems. 

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  104. Mazzai Burton says:

    What did you mean about the heat builds up like at pressure cooker with mars-Pluto aspects?

    I have Mars square Pluto

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    • Michelle says:

      Tension, pressure and stress need to have steady release so you don’t explode. I hope that makes sense.

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  105. Mazzai Burton says:

    What did you mean about the heats up like a pressure cooker?

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    • Michelle says:

      Mazzai, see my response to your question, above.

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      • Mazzai Burton says:

        Sorry

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    • Tug says:

      pressure release escape is a smaller window than pressure intake *wink

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      • Michelle says:

        Yes, yes! Very true. 

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  106. Thomas Baker63 says:

    Im just now accepting the fact I often have a temper. I posted about the Mercury-Mars in your tightest aspect blog earlier, combining that with Mars Conjunction Saturn and Semi-Sextile Pluto…you can celebrate the 4th of July for a week and still wont amount to the fireworks I light up!!! Ive read in The Astrology Blog Spot about criminals and violence and two aspects came to mind: Mars-Pluto and Mars-Saturn. And also with mentally unstable people having planets close to 22 degrees in a mutable sign. Thank God my Pisces Mercury is only 8 degrees!

    I find myself always angry at something and seems like my thirst never gets quenched

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  107. race64 says:

    how about sextile
    virgo mars- scoprio pluto
    mars 1st house
    pluto 3rd

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    • Michelle says:

      How about it? What do you think it means? What do you relate to in the article?

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  108. Aashish_raj81 says:

    i was born under leo ascendent with mars, saturn and pluto in 3rd house (libra), moon and uranus in 4th house (scorpio). jupiter, mercury, venus and nepyune in 5th house (saggi…), sun in 6th house (capri….). i have some of the qualites mentioned above but can anyone throw some light on conjuctions mentioned above.

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  109. K1hodgman says:

    This fits me to a “T”. I’m a Leo in Sun, Mercury and Venus, but with a strong Scorpio influence…it makes for a VERY potent and volatile mix. It’s a beautiful combination and can be richly rewarding…but DAMN!!!The only reason I haven’t been diagnosed with bipolar disorder or a rage syndrome befitting of me being cast in the movie ”28 Days Later” is that I HAVE to exhast all that energy with exercise. It gets to the point where I feel like an atom bomb, waiting for the *slightest* nuance to send me over the edge, The water can only be controlled, and it sure isn’t going anywhere, but the fire is what can be burned and exhausted to the point where I can feel harmoniously at peace. Even if it only lasts for a few hours;p

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    • Michelle says:

      Thank you for stopping by, K1hodgman:)

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  110. bellablue66 says:

    My EX had that aspect, along with moon in Aries, several broken bones and many restraining orders later managed to escape with my life, but only just. His favourite hobbies besides using me as a punching bag, were knives  guns and hunting, gambling, drinking a litre of Rum a day, and chasing prostitutes. One thinks that serial killers must have this aspect?? 

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    • Michelle says:

      I’m glad you got away, bellblue66.

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  111. John Böttcher says:

    I have a very tight Sun-Pluto conjunction, rising in the 1st House (Virgo) with a very tight square to Mars (4h House, Sagittarius).

    This article very accurately sums up my main problem in life: self destructiveness, an impulse to destroy and rebuild something better.

    Oddly, every single member of my immediate family also have tight Sun-Mars-Pluto hard aspects. All six of them committed suicide.

    Great site, btw.

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    • Michelle says:

      Wow, John, that’s a seriously intense family pattern. I’m not sure how to phrase this, but what are you doing to avoid the pattern?

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      • John Boettcher says:

        Therapy, in the main. Because I keep the lid on, it’s formed as physical illnesses – dangerously high blood pressure, recurrent painful cysts (Pluto erupting – the stuff underneath coming to the surface), bowel disease, a sub-arachnoid brain haemorage at the age of 18, insomnia and, well to be honest, manic- depression.

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        • Michelle says:

          I’m very sorry to hear that, John.

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  112. Plumage says:

    I have Mars-Pluto in almost perfect opposition Mars 9th house Pisces  Pluto 3rd house Virgo. I have  almost the same horoscope as Brett Easton Ellis, writer of American Psycho, having been born the same day. I don’t lose my temper often but when I do my boyfriend tells me I’m nuclear and scary. I think for me it relates to power struggles with men, especially those I’m in relationship with. I’ve had to learn to be more respectful towards others because I can be very cruel and critical with those I’m angry with.  Apparently according to something I read the particlar angle I’m at, in Virgo, means there is a chance I will be murdered or murder someone, although think might also mean that I  could die in a nuclear war?

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    • Michelle says:

      Being murdered seems like a rather drastic conclusion … “killing” through angry criticism – or having your angry criticisms turned back on you are possibilities.

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  113. Black Hand Ninja says:

    Hey, great site.

    I am a Pisces Rising so come across mild-mannered, however….. have a 1st house Mars in Aries (retrograde & intercepted) that is in a tight inconjunct with an 8th house Pluto in Scorpio. It has manifested itself as a lingering fear of asserting oneself through an unconscious lack of understanding of my own perceived power. I also have been experiencing some very dominant sexual fantasies recently and I don’t know where it came from!

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  114. Black Hand Ninja says:

    I have the quincunx aspect of this sign. I can say that I definitely feel the effects as it’s a very tight one. My Mars is intercepted and retrograde however, so control is easier than actually letting go! 

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  115. Michelle says:

    Hi Heidi,

    I’m not interested in delineating the difference between each type of aspect in this article – maybe in a future article. 

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  116. morganjaymes says:

    I have Mars Square Pluto, Sagittarius Sun, Aquarius Moon Aries Ascendant. I have a hard time expressing emotions, and I am very very very hard on myself. I constantly destroy and rebuild things, only to better them and myself the next time around, and am quite secretive. I dont express anger unless I am alone, and I mostly direct it towards myself. Though I am a Taurus Mars Retrograde. I feel that this causes me to put off expressing my anger. I dont even really feel angry a lot of the time so usually i just scream to myself after so much build-up, and it comes off as a complete surprise.

    I am quite  manipulative in a very self-protecting way. I try to figure out others so that I feel more in control and I know them more than they know me. Not to use this in a demeaning way, but so that I feel like I have control of my emotions if something bad happens. I always worry about the downfall of everything, the collapse of my relationships.

    I do my best when I spend time doing things I love to do, as well as exercising, and being on top of things. 

    The best part of this aspect is being a good counselor to others, and that when used positively I am constantly forcing myself to better myself. 

    Any Mars Square Pluto person will notice that their life is everchanging in some way or another, its the matter of focusing it into betterment. Pluto forces us to better. If we dont do anything, it destroys us and the things around us. We have no choice but to better ourselves and our lives.

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    • Michelle says:

      Which sign and house are Mars and Pluto in?

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  117. maygemini says:

    Thank you for writing this insightful article!

    I have Taurus Mars in 8th quincrux Libra Pluto in 1st. My mother has Mars-Pluto conjunction and my father has square. Yikes!!

    When I growing up, the house was a battlefield and it was basically everyone for themselves. My father was emotionally, psychologically, and physically abusive towards my mother . My father was physically and emotionally abusive towards me as well but my mother got it full force. I was very resentful towards my mother because I viewed her as inadequate of protecting herself and me. One day when I came home from school (I was 6 years old) and my dad was whaling on my mom (as usual), I got so angry and fed up I took a kitchen knife and went to stab my dad. At some point I blacked out and next thing I knew, I woke up in the hospital with stitches on my forehead. I had lost a lot of blood from a head injury… To this day, I still have a scar above my eyebrow as a reminder of what happened.

    Needless to say, I think the quincrux position is surprisingly resourceful in their own expression of violence as that is a very uncomfortable aspect of energies. Even now, whenever people anger me, I imagine myself hurting them violently but don’t ever act on it. I’m sure if I had to, I’d be quite good at it.

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  118. Ezou says:

    I have my
    Moon Opposition Mars
    Moon Conjunction Pluto
    Mercury Trine Pluto
    Venus Square Mars
    Mars Opposition Pluto
    Neptune Sextile Pluto
    and I am Sun in Pisces (Pisces/Aries Cusp)Moon in Scorpio/ Libra Rising:

    The #1 thing I will do when marriage comes knocking, is that like a onion I will explain my self down to every detail with complete truth.

    The#2 thing I will do, is I remind my wife that never, never, never, and never do the things (very rare things that annoy the shit out of me) that make me angry. Do not do it.

    The #3 Do not make me angry.

    People do not realize the force, the beast, the passions, and the intensity–and we have to spend a quite of our years just in waste trying to control that energy, that beast within.

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    • Ivana says:

      I have Pluto in Libra (12 house) opposition Mars in Aries (6 house). I am not aggressive at all, but if i have to defend something very important to me then I can be ruthless. But I n otice that I have very high level of energy and have to always be involved into something important. (when i was kid, i was always tired???) If i don’t engage myself in physical activity I suffer from anxiety.

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      • AstroFix says:

        “If i don’t engage myself in physical activity I suffer from anxiety”

        Me too. Do you have a Virgo emphasis?

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  119. marion says:

    I have mars conjunct pluto within minutes in my fifth house. AND it is a part of a stellium of venus-sun-mars-pluto-vertex all in the fifth house.
    AND i am an Aries ascendant with moon in Scorpio! So mars and pluto together sitting close to the sun, basically rules my entire chart. When in 2008-2011 Saturn passed through this stellium with Uranus opposing it at the other end and Pluto near squaring it, i was on a non stop roller coaster of life moving at breakneck speed. It is 2013 now, i am still panting after the ride!!!!
    Yeah, i too feel some kind of a beast in me from time to time. I am a 40 year old woman but i think of myself a kick boxer at times. I feel inner energy /intensity that scares me at times.
    I had a volcanic temper in my teens and early twenties. But over the years i have mellowed…I am more patient, tolerant and peaceful now.

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  120. marion says:

    Michelle,

    Further to my earlier post, when mars returns in April 2014 to its natal position (natal mars/pluto conjunction), it will be part of a grand cross with Uranus (opposite), Pluto and Jupiter. The grand cross will become exact 10 days after mars contacts natal mars.
    On the day when the grand cross is exact, it will be just 1 degree from my natal VERTEX. Meanwhile, Saturn will be 2 degrees from my descendant.

    I am single right now…but very enchanted with someone i met last november. (Due to his chart features plus other transits i am hopeful he and i will get together/start dating at some point this year.)

    What do you think will happen with the April 2014 grand square?

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    • AstroFix says:

      Hi Marion,

      That’s a complex question with only a few parts to work with. I don’t give individual interpretations on the blog but, if you’re interested, you may contact me about a personal reading: michelle@astrofix.net

      Best wishes,
      Michelle

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  121. Bob says:

    funny, there’s this guy i know, and his behavior got me to wondering about possible mars/pluto aspects. he’s basically a male whore, pardon the bluntness. (that is not meant as a summation of his character, merely an observation of his pathological predation.) he’s not a bad guy, just off-the-charts obsessed (almost an understatement) about effing any woman he sees, and he is decidedly not picky. it’s quite a pattern to witness. and his approach is, “hey, if i shoot a hundred arrows, one will stick.” so this morning i found his birthdate, and there it is exactly as i had suspected: mars (cap) squared pluto (libra). (and it lends more context to what seems almost a signature i’ve come across lately regarding mars capricorn males.) anyway, just thought i’d throw this one in the ring.

    hey, michelle.

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    • AstroFix says:

      Which houses are Mars and Pluto in?

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      • Bob says:

        no idea. curious, looked him up and found birthdate, but not birth time.

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          • Bob says:

            one more item – and this is was just the cherry on top, given the theme that had emerged re men with natal mars in capricorn AND square pluto – was his question of me last week, asking me if i’d ever done a choker.

            i had an idea but asked anyway, “what’s a choker?”

            he gives me a look like i’m an idiot, but oh well, and says, “it’s when you choke her” during sex. i said no i had not and then told him a little bit about this aspect of his chart.

            “huh, send me more,” he said.

            i dunno, it’s all kind of uncanny in a pretty weird way.

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            • AstroFix says:

              It’d be a kick to see what houses Mars and Pluto are in. What’s his Sun sign?

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              • Bob says:

                sagittarius. he’s extremely direct, puts it right out there, so to speak, and it’s beyond evident that a large percentage of women respond favorably to exactly that. no surprise; in fact, just more context to planetary dynamics. as ii, for example, became more aware of my own venus/mercury/libra stuff, it’s almost funny to watch myself “at work,” as it were, a kind of default “mannered” aspect, like as much sheer wiring as conscious thought/strategy.

                anyway…

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  122. 8kat says:

    I am very much enjoying what I read in your blog. Refreshingly straightforward and full. I particularly enjoyed Sun conjunct Chiron which I have, and Pluto Mars. I have Pluto/ Saturn leo conjunct in the Twelfth squaring a stellium of Jupiter, mercury, mars in Scorpio in the third. Sun in libra, moon in Taurus. Talk about being confused. But I was lucky enough to be lead to a degree in counseling, and a language to understand these things, as well as a 20 year practice of dance meditation. Here is a poem I wrote a couple of years back. I call it mars square Pluto
    That’s a razor blade
    Slap on the face
    Long dark coaster
    To and underground place.
    That’s moonlight on sharp white
    glisten of canines, 
    Shoulder on shovel, dirt,
    Hole in the ground.
    That’s the casket, the
    Missile, the basket of reeds.
    Moises shooting down rapids, 
    In green, wave reflections. Soft
    Sounds, cry of baby,
    Fist of a king.
    The plundering sceptre, the well
    Wearing ring.
    The source of my sight, anguish.
    My sight.  Scraping the up-welling
    juice from the rind,
    Despairing of comfort
    Whatever I find.

    Thanks again

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  123. carmen says:

    i am Aries rising and have mars/cancer/4th square pluto/libra/7th. my father used to be violent to my mother in my childhood, but he would stop when I stood between them. I am not physically violent, but I have a temper. the worse time I got mad I swear the person in my mind for two days every 5 minutes. I like feisty men and mommy’s boys drive me crazy. I think I am calm in life threatening situation like earthquakes and I always wonder if I would be able to survive if I got shipwrecked on a desert island. running really helped me deal with my frustration about relationships and I enjoy swimming and kick box. fighting against physical pain and cruelty I think are the only things that could drive me to really act on this animal instinct. and i think fighting/arguing is good to some point because it deals with the issue, not avoid it.

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  124. Katie says:

    I have Algol Taurus Mars in 8th house inconjunct Libra Pluto in 1st house. It’s not the best of energy mixing… as a matter of fact, it’s actually pretty troublesome. For starters, I grew up in what seemed like idyllic settings but they were dangerous and unsettled environments below the surface. I was moved around a lot, and I had the feeling that I was going to get physically injured at any given moment (I was physically hit often and out of the blue by not just my family members but other kids, and teachers). I could never trust anyone nor ever feel safe, possibly a Pluto in 1st house trait. I rarely do feel comfortable enough to even think of trusting anyone, even now as an adult. But, I never thought that I’m a victim and I certainly wouldn’t ever go without a fight and if there has to be destruction, I come out alright in the end. I can’t say much for other people though…

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  125. NNCT says:

    Pew, I’m glad im not the only one :p
    Being an Aqua ascendant, Moon Scorpio (9th) oppose Mars in Taurus (3rd) is not easy. Desires vs needs. Followed by Mars Taurus oppose Pluto in Scorpio (8h). I have such total killer chart with all these oppositions :D
    From the childhood on i knew i had this untamable beast within me therefore i was avoiding all confrontations not in family tho just outside. Because somewhere i knew that i could not controll my anger once severely provoked. In 26 years i lost controll over myself Twice only and hopefully it stays the same as i’m still mastering the control over my burning rage.
    Sadly back in youth i could not find much info about Astrology. Or i could have mastered it fully by now.
    The 2d time i lost control when i beat the crap out of this bully moron in front of entire school :D I bet he loved it hahah. And i’m sure he’ll never forget that day. It was a beautiful summer day with everybody outside including teachers. Public humilation at its best. I got only one punch from him when in fact i bombarded him with countless. Thats all i remember. I have No clue how its ended tho.
    Taurus loves inner piece and harmony and once its piece is disturbed and with aspect of moon & pluto this is what you get.
    The other aspects i have to pluto are:
    Sun (1st) quintile Pluto (8th)
    Mercury (1st) Trine Pluto
    Venus (1st) square Pluto
    Jupiter (1st) bequintile Pluto (not sure if bequintile counts)
    Neptune (11th) sextile Pluto
    Venus Square Mars

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  126. Rachel says:

    I have Mars in Aqua (5th) square Pluto in Scorpio (2nd).

    As a child I had more of a temper, maybe? Things like slamming doors and throwing things. Not so much as an adult though. One thing I have noticed is that people are often engaging in power struggles with me when it’s not something I want. People seem to want to compete with me.

    In Autumn of 2012, when transit Saturn in Scorpio was conjuncting my Pluto and squaring my Mars, at the same time Jupiter in Gemini was trining my Mars — I had a situation at work where my boss and boss’s boss were trying to dominate me excessively at work. I had just finished a data analysis project that happened to show that some of their programs weren’t very effective, and made a recommendation that they adjust their strategy. They blamed me for negative result and tried to hide the report from upper management. This resulted in me escalating to their boss, who agreed with me and told them not to be afraid of data. Obviously they didn’t like that result and the mood at work got EXTREMELY tense. I swear I could feel how much one of them HATED me, I could feel his anger radiating. Maybe I set off his own Mars/Pluto energy? I ended up leaving and getting a higher paying job, after they basically forced me out. It was a leave or get fired situation. Within 3 months, one of them was demoted and the other was fired! Their boss later told me that although he agreed with me, the situation was too fraught and political for him to come to my aid.

    The whole time I was confused as to why they wanted to control/dominate me so much…. and how funny they ended up paying the price for it! Gotta admit it was nice to be vindicated.

    I am a woman and feel like I attract this energy from certain men. They see me as too strong or independent and want to dominate/control me. I think that’s how my Mars/Pluto square energy manifests for the most part. I’ve also had some pretty obsessive admirers. I am Libra Sun (1st) with Libra Asc with Mercury/Venus conjunct Scorpio (2nd) trined by Jupiter in Pisces (6th).

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  127. Maria says:

    Hi Michelle,

    Thank you for this wonderful article! I’ve a question – how would you read Mars-Pluto-Asc stacked on top of each other, very closely together? Mars in Libra 12H, Pluto in Scoprio 12H (might be in 1H actually – my birth time could be slightly off . It might also be sitting right on the ascendant), Asc in Scorpio.

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  128. Anna says:

    Could this aspect suggest some homicidal tendencies?
    I have it and there was a time I had strong desire of hurting people. I’m not going into details, but it was (and is) really hard to stop myself from hurting others.
    I have conjunction Mars/Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, 2nd House. Also, Mars and Mercury have aspects with Uranus/Neptun in Capricorn 3rd (sextile), Saturn in Aquarius 4th (Square), Moon in Pisces 5th (trigon)… Ufff.
    It’s quite tiring, this energy inside. Yea, it’s all cool when I get all of it and can do ‘everything’, but when it ends… I’m half-alive and so tired.
    Take your care!

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  129. redqueen says:

    I have the mars quincunx pluto natally…totally relate to everything written abt negative mars-pluto aspects. I really have a terrible temper.Today I slapped my mother-in-law, hard, several times and threw water on her face over a small issue …the irritation had been building up in me for some days.

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  130. redqueen says:

    The tremendous energy with the negative aspects of mars and pluto can be truly violent in expression . I just shouted at my father-in-law like crazy and challenged both my in-laws to try and start something . My father-in-law tried to retaliate but i just shouted him down . And all this in front of 2 male servants and 2 carpenters !! My father-in-law has mars trine pluto natally and my mother-in-law has mars square pluto natally . They have no mars-pluto interaspects with me in synastry. But i have pluto interaspects with my MIL and probably with my DIL too – me being pluto . Guess thats why they both are no match in front of me – i can rip both apart in a jiffy !!

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  131. Cristiana says:

    Aw, I would love to have an aspect like let s say Pluto conjunct Mars :(

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  132. VampireBites says:

    True. I have my Leo Mars square Scorpio Pluto. I have the need to be constantly on the move. If not I would feel restless and be all cranky, sometimes I just don’t know why I’m like that. That’s why I always keep myself busy. The only way to get rid of my internal restlessness.

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