Venus/Chiron Aspects

keys to lovePain through relationship. Understanding your link to humanity through relationship. Love tinged with pain. Extreme sensitivity to peace and harmony, and a lack of peace and harmony. Extreme sensitivity to harmony or disharmony in relationships. Extreme sensitivity to your social relationships – where you stand, who likes you, who your friends are and who your enemies are. Extreme sensitivity to issues of beauty and attraction. Extreme sensitivity to art and creativity. Extreme sensitivity to issues of value and worth.

Wounded feelings surrounding your value, worth and self-esteem. Feelings of being unattractive, unloved or unwanted. The pain of rejection in love. The pain of rejection because of your appearance. Being rejected because you’re not popular or pretty enough. Pain surrounding the need to be liked and adored. The dark side of wanting to be seen as beautiful and attractive. Body dysmorphic disorder. Plastic surgery junkies. The wounded feminine. Healing the feminine self. For men, getting in touch with your anima. Overcoming sensitivity concerning your appearance. Learning to like yourself. Realizing that beauty really is more than skin deep. Painful relationships with women. Relationships with women in which sexual competitiveness, envy and jealousy dominate. Inability to tap into your powers of attraction. Learning about the Law of Attraction. Overcoming fears of being alluring and seductive. Learning to flirt. Learning to enjoy the pleasurable side of life.

Dysfunctional relationships with money. Using pleasure as a way not to deal with pain. Using manipulation to get your way. Using charm and seduction as the path of least resistance to get what you want. Using money to heal pain. Trying to use money to buy love. Money can’t buy you love. Money can’t buy happiness. Getting stuff is not the same as getting affection. Becoming aware of overly passive tendencies in relationships. Becoming aware of when you are simply being a mirror for the people in your life. Getting in touch with what you really want and how that acknowledgment might affect your relationships. Becoming a guru or guide through the realm of relationships. Someone who knows the trials of love. Someone who has been through the mill of love. Love is a sore subject. Relationships are a sore subject. Inability to let go of past relationship hurts.

The doors of perception are opened through relationship. Wholeness through accepting and appreciating each relationship in your life and what it has to teach you. Wholeness through making an effort to lessen conflict in the world. Harbingers of peace. Deep insights into the nature of relating to others. Unlocking new doors in relationship. Finding new ways of relating. Discovering within yourself something original upon which to build self-love and self-esteem. Original perceptions about relationships. Deep insights into the creative process. Using art as a way to release pain and trauma. Creativity can be a sore subject. Money can be a sore subject. Artists who feel that their work is never properly valued. Issues with feeling that you are never paid what you are worth. Feeling that you should be financially compensated for your love. Pain centers on feeling appreciated for your creative contribution.

The key to healing is building self-esteem. The key to healing is making peace in relationships. The key to healing is understanding your relationship with money. The key to healing is tapping into your creativity. The key to healing is to make peace with your appearance. The key to healing is focusing on peace. The key to healing is realizing that some relationships can’t be fixed. The key to healing is standing up for your values. The key to healing is accepting yourself and others. The key to healing is enjoying life.

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Original Chiron glyph. Click to read more.

Chiron is both a minor planet and a comet. It is located between Saturn and Uranus. Chiron takes about 50 years to make one complete cycle through all the signs of the zodiac. Chiron is in Libra for the shortest amount of time – 1.5 years; and in Aries the longest – about 8 years. Chiron’s symbol resembles a key.

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chiron-planetsInterpretations of astrological pairings between Chiron & the 10 major planets

10 interpretations, including planet pairings with Chiron from the Sun through Pluto. Written in short, fragmented sentences, this eBook embraces a loose, brainstorm-style of writing.

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I’m Michelle and I have an Aries Sun, Leo Moon & Virgo rising.

  • Joe

    That’s interesting that Bob Marley had the opposition considering he had so many relationships.  Maybe he sought healing in that?  He must have also have been very sensitive about his music. 

    • Michelle

      I read a biography of Bob Marley a long time ago. His relationships were important to him. According to the book, he made no bones about not being monogamous but he promised that he would provide for every one of his children. It seems like he has. I’m not aware of his children having any anger or resentment toward him.

  • Kattylassiter

    My venus conjuncts my chiron in cancer. And they are both in the 10th House. This also conjuncts my south node which in cancer 10th house.

    • Michelle

      How’s your relationship with your mom?

  • Zoa

    I’ve been waiting for this for a while
    As much as I’ve read and researched about Venus-Chiron aspects it still eludes me what does Venus Q Chiron does exactly.
     
    Venus-Chiron aspects, as I understand, are about the pain of love, art and money and how to heal those wounds. I have Venus in Aries Q Chiron in Gemini. So, how does the Quintile work? It is halfway through a sextile and a square, so I feel it is sort of in-between easy and hard. And while it’s not a strong aspect, it’s there.  I feel that I don’t deserve to be loved unless, I give and give and give to the other person. This is further complicated by difficult aspects from Neptune and Pluto to my Venus.
     
    i know the wounds and pain very well. I am still trying to figure out the way to heal. WIth Chiron aspecting my Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter… I have a lot of work to do!

    • Michelle

      Do you have Venus in aspects to Saturn, or planets in the 2nd house?

      Venus in Aries is, unfortunately, rather selfish. Chiron in Gemini is somewhat scattered. On the positive side, Venus in Aries knows what she wants and Chiron in Gemini doesn’t get stuck on any one thing.

      Does any of that resonate with you?

      • Zoa

        “Venus in Aries knows what she wants” I resonate with that. I definitively know what I want.

        I can be somewhat scattered (especially since Chiron opposes my Mars in Sag) but not when it comes to love or money. I don’t have Venus-Saturn aspect but I do have Saturn ruling the 7th and Venus in the 10th which is similar. The ruler of my 2nd aspects Saturn as well. 

        My second house is empty.

        • Michelle

          Venus and Saturn are in mutual reception by house. That might account for some of the unloved feelings. 

          Venus quintile Chiron probably gives you the ability to empathize with other people who experience the need to give and give in order to feel loved. It might also make you quite witty and sassy when you’re flirting – yet you’re sensitive to how you’re received.

          • Zoa

            Thank you Michelle.
            I am sensitive about a lot of things since my Chiron makes so many aspects but I am especially sensitive when it comes to love. the other planets aspected by Chiron are rather well-aspected. My Venus is in detriment, with hard aspects from Neptune and Pluto and in Saturn’s house. That is why I don’t do much flirting lol

            • Michelle

              I also have Venus in Aries (detriment). Venus in Aries by itself doesn’t tend to show lack of flirting, but those hard aspects certainly put a clamp on it.

      • Zoa

        “Venus in Aries knows what she wants” I resonate with that. I definitively know what I want.

        I can be somewhat scattered (especially since Chiron opposes my Mars in Sag) but not when it comes to love or money. I don’t have Venus-Saturn aspect but I do have Saturn ruling the 7th and Venus in the 10th which is similar. The ruler of my 2nd aspects Saturn as well. 

        My second house is empty.

  • LB

    Your whole last paragraph beginning with the words, “The key to healing . . .” describes my 2nd house Venus in Libra (conjunct North Node/Sun and numerous asteroids)  trine my 6th house Chiron in Aquarius. 

    As far as relationships go, I’ve learned to quickly recognize what’s healthy as opposed to what’s NOT, just  as I know how to treat both my personal and business relationships with respect and courtesy.  It comes easily to me and I love to nurture my friends, sometimes through drawing out their own hidden gifts.  Even when I was an inexperienced teenager, friends would turn to me for relationship advice – and later for help with their fashion/beauty/decorating dilemmas.

    I’m also mindful in everyday relationships and interactions – I take nothing for granted and pay attention to little details that others often miss, knowing they make a difference.  The thing is, not everyone gets it and I know that.too; Frustrating as it is, I’ve had to learn (still learning) to accept certain imperfections in the careless way human beings treat one another. 

    I used to attract users, but not so much anymore, mostly because I let those relationships go before they can progress.  I rarely make a big deal out of it – instead, I keep things friendly, yet somewhat distant., which saddens me.  With Chiron in the 6th, Reiki has been great because I can share the LOVE without feeling the “relationship” has to be reciprocal.  I love to serve, but only if it creates something of value and integrity.

    As you’ve pointed out, this aspect affects all things related to Venus, not just relationships.  I also think my art has a healing quality, and I do love anything that’s beautiful – art, music, jewelry, even the design on a piece of fabric used to create a colorful throw pillow or the workmanship and graceful line of a piece of clothing that fits just right, or the feel of a feather bed covered in soft cotton sheets.

    Another great post, Michelle.  Thanks!

    • LB

      I forgot to mention that with Chiron in the 6th, people also turn to me for advice on a lot of little things, not the least of which are matters relating to health, fitness and/or nutrition.  I’ve had a lot of experience dealing with medical issues and even if I don’t know something, I usually know how to find out.  I’m very proactive (and practical) when it comes to achieving good health through natural means – when at all possible.  I do respect the fact that traditional Western medicine (allopathic) has its place, but I don’t rely on it for everything, nor do I run to the doctor with every symptom.

      I’m much more comfortable with the idea of treating the underlying cause of illness, as opposed to just treating the symptoms . . . when POSSIBLE, anyway.

      • Michelle

        People with 6th house planets often seem drawn to mind-body healing methods. 

        even if I don’t know something, I usually know how to find out.

        That sounds like Chiron. 

        Do you have Chiron in aspect to Mars too?

        • billow

          I am getting a maverick kind of feel about chiron?  Like going out on a limb?

          • Michelle

            Yes. 

            “Going out on a limb” is funny since Chiron was lame and all. 

            • billow

              LMAO!!

              Did a little reading on chiron.  Apparently he was wounded by Herakles on his journey as H fought off a wild boar.  That mythology stuff can really take me to all sorts of scenarios ala da vinci code.  Whoa nelly, neptuna fish samich.  Like Andrews writes about crossing paths with the boar as about examining fidelity and protection of family.  On a positive note he writes of the tusks of the boar and if we want the treasures, we must dig them out for ourselves relying on our own strengths.  And then it digresses to good ol sexuality with reference to the chinese “eating roast pork” as a metaphor for sexual intercourse.  But that pig is dead and cooked.

              The interesting thing about chiron myth is that ovid wrote he picked up a hydra-ted arrow and dropped it on his own foot?  Either which way, do I beware of friends poisoned arrows?  Maybe I should just let those arrows lay there and don’t pick em up?

              • Michelle

                Chiron dropping the arrow on his own foot puts a different spin on everything. 

                At some point I want to read Robert Graves’s The Greek Myths

        • LB

          Mind-body healing – yes!  I also place a high value on nutrition and fitness.  I believe everything works together, although I do understand (and accept) that some things are beyond *our* control and serve a greater purpose through teaching us the value in surrender through humility.  Or would that be humility through surrender?  🙂

          No major aspects to Mars (unless you count a Bi-septile), but ruler of my Chiron (Uranus, which sits in the 12th opposite Chiron) forms a quintile with my Mars/Part of Fortune.  Plus my Chiron is loosely connected to my Aquarius Moon which is trine Mars.

          Here’s a link on the septile series I found kind of interesting:  http://www.universalastrologer.com/septile.html

          I did some copying and pasting, so if this comment is all over the place, I’m sorry! 

          • Michelle

            That’s a great link. 

            Right now I’m living in a 7 house and this energy is not conducive to practical things. I feel like I’m on 7 energy overload.

            • LB

              It is an interesting link, isn’t it?   I can see how living in a 7 environment would present certain challenges. 

              In terms of achieving practical results (like taking care of paper work or cleaning house), I  find I’m most effective when I’m alone and can work at my own pace – that’s one way to deal with the energies, if I’m understanding what you’re saying.

              • Michelle

                It’s great for spiritual/metaphysical inclinations. But, I already have Neptune conjunct IC in my natal chart, so spacing out, being impractical, going with the flow – all of that Neptunian stuff – is natural  for me in my living space. I’m so passive in this house. I think I want to move to an 8 house.

                I used to live on my Neptune/IC line: making headway professionally was hopeless.

                • I’ve been wondering about the energy of an 8 house. The house directly in front of my house across the street is an 8 house and it’s been through several residents and I do mean several in my 11 years here. It seems like there is some bad energy or something because of the way most of the folks had to vacate the place. It’s been empty for the past 3 years.

                  My house is a 9 house.

                  • Michelle

                    I wonder what else is going on with that place. 

                    What is the energy like in your place?

                    • What Billow said about an 8 house “Alot of people going in and out.” definitely describes that house. I believe it’s been foreclosed on 3 times so a contraction (Saturn and probably Pluto as well) of finances (Venus) was involved.

                      It finally feels like I’m home and this place has been the initiation of the emergence from my shell.  Since 9 is an alchemy of 1-8 energy, I can  say that all have been a part of my experience here and as the saying goes “Goddess helps those that help themselves”.

                    • Michelle

                      I can’t think of anyone I know who lives in an 8 house.

                    • What Billow said about an 8 house “Alot of people going in and out.” definitely describes that house. I believe it’s been foreclosed on 3 times so a contraction (Saturn and probably Pluto as well) of finances (Venus) was involved.

                      It finally feels like I’m home and this place has been the initiation of the emergence from my shell.  Since 9 is an alchemy of 1-8 energy, I can  say that all have been a part of my experience here and as the saying goes “Goddess helps those that help themselves”.

                    • What Billow said about an 8 house “Alot of people going in and out.” definitely describes that house. I believe it’s been foreclosed on 3 times so a contraction (Saturn and probably Pluto as well) of finances (Venus) was involved.

                      It finally feels like I’m home and this place has been the initiation of the emergence from my shell.  Since 9 is an alchemy of 1-8 energy, I can  say that all have been a part of my experience here and as the saying goes “Goddess helps those that help themselves”.

                    • What Billow said about an 8 house “Alot of people going in and out.” definitely describes that house. I believe it’s been foreclosed on 3 times so a contraction (Saturn and probably Pluto as well) of finances (Venus) was involved.

                      It finally feels like I’m home and this place has been the initiation of the emergence from my shell.  Since 9 is an alchemy of 1-8 energy, I can  say that all have been a part of my experience here and as the saying goes “Goddess helps those that help themselves”.

                    • What Billow said about an 8 house “Alot of people going in and out.” definitely describes that house. I believe it’s been foreclosed on 3 times so a contraction (Saturn and probably Pluto as well) of finances (Venus) was involved.

                      It finally feels like I’m home and this place has been the initiation of the emergence from my shell.  Since 9 is an alchemy of 1-8 energy, I can  say that all have been a part of my experience here and as the saying goes “Goddess helps those that help themselves”.

                • billow

                  Oooh, I did not know you have neptune conj IC.  Transiting neptune is on its way back over my IC.  I won’t be out of the rabbit hole until sometime in 2012.  I am first coming to understand what the whole neptune in aquarius thing has been about for me.  Like I always say, hard work pays off.  I feel better equipped for all things future and for making it happen in the present.

                  • Michelle

                    Neptune at my IC (in Sagittarius) makes me feel like a blank slate.

            • billow

              I’m in a 7 house too by PO Box number.  If I put up a mailbox on the dirve I will be in a 4 house.  I’m considering it.

              • Michelle

                How has your experience of the energy in your house been? 

                0 – void, nothingness, potential
                1 – unobstructed flow of energy, new beginnings
                2 – balance, choice, cooperation
                3 – creativity, family, self-expression
                4 – stability, grounding, security
                5 – change, resourcefulness, adventure
                6 – calm, patience
                7 – contemplation, self-evaluation, solitude
                8 – infinity, abundance, success in business
                9 – highest number, accomplishment, attainment.

                http://fengshui.about.com/od/usesoffengshui/qt/feng-shui-house-numbers.htm

                • billow

                  The 4 house felt pretty secure.  Except that with stability, there also comes insecurity and worry about loss.  The same 7 house has shook that insecurity thing loose and away.  It’s a good research house with a little land to do some wildlife experimentation so that is good.  And I’ve always been a contemplater but probably more so in the 7.

                  I haven’t looked at this much, but .  . .  A friend moved to an 8 house and swears by it.  Alot of people going in and out.  She has finally gotten her finances together and is checking out an independent side business.

                  I find 4 houses very parentally controlled.  Like a bonding between parents and children that hangs on way too long.  I moved in my uncles house upon his death so alot of gran and great gran’s things are still here.  The address change to 7 is allowing me to get rid of alot of the old stuff that really isn’t functional.  Sentimentality turned into get some of this crap moving out the door.  How much furniture do i need anyway.  The 7 house is good solitude in the midst of the whirl of activity outside my yarden.

                  I have some reservations about the 1 house.  I think it takes a certain kind of person to live there.  I know of two single men who committed suicide in 1 houses.  I know the family of 3 that moved into one of the houses.  I do not think their marriage is going to make it.  She has a side business of sorts and I suggested that she get a business address in addition to the home address by adding an A to one address and a B to the other, but no go.

                  • Michelle

                    A 7 house is good for solitude. I spend quite a bit of time doing things here by myself. 

                    I’ve never lived in a 4 house (that I remember). It seems like it would have a parental tone to it. 

                    It’s cool to hear that you actually know someone living successfully in an 8 house. 

                    I lived in a 9 house for a little while. It was a good place to live while transitioning from one phase to another.

                  • LB

                    The last place we lived in was a 4, and while we were living there, caring for my mom became a full-time job.  Actually, lots of challenging stuff happened there.  Finally we decided to downsize and leave the bad mojo behind.  Right during our move, my mother went from bad to worse and passed away. 

                    Oddly enough, my dad died during a previous move.  Pluto has been transiting through my 4th for many years.

                    Now we live in a 3.

                • Triskana

                  I live in a ONE apartment in a SEVEN building. The Oneness keeps hubby & I alone much of the time which we prefer. Hubby began a home business here…gentle success. I also am doing lots of healing here. On the contrary, above us is a unit that is #14 (5). With all three tenants who have lived there, all only briefly, there was/is much arguing/fighting and loud parties when they entertain. I laughed when the same kind of couple showed up twice after first tenants. Numbers are so fascinating! I am a SEVEN, btw.

                  • 5 houses are hectic! That’s been my experience. Living in a six house now… best place ive ever lived.

    • Michelle

      Thanks, LB 🙂

      You have such a strong Venusian influence with your Sun in Libra in the 2nd house. Plus, Venus is your North Node ruler, so the Chiron influence is part of who you are becoming through your North Node path. You probably have a lot of Aries South Node ability to say no to people which prevents you from becoming a doormat.

      • LB

        What’s really funny about my chart is that for every significant Libra 2nd house placement, there’s an Aries 8th house placement exactly opposite.  I’ll probably always be a blend of the two energies (Aries and Libra), which explains why I get along with and relate so well to Aries.  I love their directness and lack of guile.  No one has ever mistaken me for an Aries though – they always guess Scorpio!

        I’m not a doormat, but with Chiron in the 6th, I have been made a scapegoat.  Naturally I’ve stood up for myself, but still . . . It’s made me very aware of not wanting to scapegoat others.

        Did I mention my 4th house Saturn (conjunct Part of Spirit/asteroid Spirit) represents the midpoint of my Venus/Chiron trine?  It makes the interpretation even more interesting.

        • Michelle

          You come across quite strong and intense to me. If I didn’t already know, I’d guess an 8th house/Pluto/Scorpio influence. 

          How do you see Saturn as the midpoint of Venus/Chiron working for you?

          • LB

            I think having Saturn (in Sagittarius) as the midpoint has motivated me to want to overcome my initial limitations and serve something greater than myself.  I’ve had to work hard to overcome my fears and learn to trust in something bigger (and more loving) to carry me through, particularly when I took on responsibilities for both of my elderly parents.  My spiritual faith helps form the core of who I am.

            Now I like the idea of Saturn in the 4th providing a home base where I can earn a living doing healing work and creating art for fun.  I’m also thinking the 4th may involve me eventually working with end-of-life and/or beginning-of-life issues.  End of life issues seem to be a recurring theme in my life.

            • Michelle

              Saturn in the 4th seems to speak to “home business.”

              • LB

                Thanks, Michelle.  Nice to know you think so too.  Now I have to go back to your series on house rulers to look up what ruler of the 5th in the 4th means. 

      • LB

        All that Libra has had another effect in that my relationship with my husband has been instrumental in helping me to heal – he’s the only person who’s ever really known and accepted me for who I am.  That’s the power of love.

        • Michelle

          Being accepted for who you are is a rare and valuable thing.

  • I can relate to some of this. I have a loose semi-sextile between them, but since chiron is in my seventh house I guess that it will have something to do with relationships anyway. And my chest hurts a lot whenever I remember someone and I can’t say anymore how I feel about them. It got to an extent that whenever I find pleasure, it also becomes pain.

    • Michelle

      Have you had any long relationships so far? You look young 🙂

      • I actually never had a romantic relationship so far. I often get anxious about destroying them before they start.

        • Michelle

          Thank you for answering.

        • billow

          You always tickle me.  I love romance.  But that doesn’t necessarily correlate with relationship to one other for me, as much as the advertisers would like me to believe..  I think it can or cannot be part of a relationship with another.  I have lots of romance in my life as a single person.  Certain places are romantic, nature is romantic, a delicious bowl of soup, herbal soap, and on and on.  It’s seems like it is full engagement in pleasure, a complete indulgence of the senses where tick tock time has no place.  I think it cannot be forced, it has to be allowed.  Ahhhhh.  Good tickle.  :  D

    • billow

      The thing that never ceases to amaze me is how differently folks experience life.  It is really helpful in understanding that there is a world within others that is completely their own.  This would have been really helpful to know for one who entered into a very black and white world, like there was some easy formula to follow in life.  Like do this, do that, and everything will be peachy.

      So am I understanding you correctly that you think of a person and don’t know what to feel? Or is it running into someone and not feeling anything?  You sound very non judgemental?  Or is it loss of something that was?  I don’t mean to pry, but what you are saying interests me, because it is not familiar to me.

      • Well, my feelings are nebulous to me and they change a lot. I guess that’s because I need to see things very well defined, and since feelings are abstract and mixed I can’t say exactly what I feel. I have too much of virgo in my chart, including a virgo moon, maybe that’s why i wanna everything exactly explained. The funny part is that I hate definitions and limitations, wich is exactly what I try to do to my feelings.
        I agree with you. Each person is a unique world. I’d like to really feel these different worlds and understand them.

        • Michelle

          Nice insights into the Virgo Moon, LGH.