Neptune/Midheaven Aspects

head in the clouds

“Upon Pondering” by Brooke Shaden via brookeshaden.com

Head in the clouds. Wandering around, dazed and confused. Well-known potheads. Lack of career direction. Wanting a career that is glamorous and frees you from everyday responsibilities. Dreams of being an actor. Wanting the kind of position in society that will free you from domestic life. Wanting to merge with your public identity. Wanting to become whatever people think you are. Inability to accurately assess your achievements. The American Dream. Wanting to live out The American Dream. Believing that you can be anything you want – you even can be president if you want to. People consistently misinterpret who you really are. You project out a cloud that obscures the real you. People project their image of who they think you are onto your public identity. You have public magnetism. You have something special that people can’t quite put their finger on. You capture the public’s imagination. You may be a blank canvas upon which people cast their idealizations and imaginings – positively or negatively.

Disillusion with the outer world. Disillusion when you realize that things aren’t ideal and that dreaming isn’t enough. Frustration through feeling that people never see who you are, and only what they want to see. Being confused about how you fit into the rest of society, especially with regard to your status and whether or not you could be perceived as a role model. Confusion about your reputation. Not getting the respect or acknowledgment you feel you deserve. Losing your personal identity through public office or fame. When you are in the spotlight, you don’t exist for yourself. Having no real grasp of the way the public perceives you. Being carried along by the tide of public opinion. Having your self washed away by public opinion. Your attempts to create a solid, structured, tangible outer career and identity for yourself only causes them to slip through your fingers faster.

Media moguls. A career that embraces media. A career that embraces images, photography and imagination. A career in dance, refined arts, music or film. Being moved to pursue a career path that serves something other than your own agenda and ego. Selfless career paths. A career in the healing arts. Giving up a ‘real’ career for a more spiritual path. Finding a way to blend your career ambitions with a desire to help others. Letting yourself drift along, aimless, dreaming and without distinct ambition.

Relationships with bosses and superiors are muddled and confusing. Shady dealings. Your gullibility can be a liability in your professional life. Sometimes you are clueless when it comes to achieving your dreams. You are willing to take risks because you are naive and you don’t know what you’re getting yourself into. People in positions of authority find it easy to take advantage of you. Because you never see how you are perceived by the public, you never quite know what your status is, or whether or not people respect you. People may think you are whiny and pathetic rather than competent and dutiful. People may misinterpret you personality as being sweet and nice when it isn’t. People may underestimate your tenacity and toughness. Being involved in shady careers can lead to your downfall. Your reputation may suffer if your career motives are purely selfish. You may feel that you have to give up an awful lot to have a successful career.

Having parents who are perceived as being underdogs. Feeling badly for one or both of your parents. Your parents mayb have been poor and received charity and other help; or, your parents were in a position to give out charity and help others. Your family’s reputation is shady or shrouded in mystery. Your family’s reputation is that you are compassionate, kind-hearted and giving. Your parents could seem glamorous to you and you might idealize them – especially your mother. One of your parents might have suffered the loss of position, status or reputation. One of your parents may have had confusing relationships with bosses and superiors that were shrouded in mystery. Your mother gave up her dreams of a career or sacrificed her home and family for the sake of her career. Your mother might have abandoned her family. Your mother desired to escape from domestic life. Your parents were artistic, musical and imaginative. Your parents were extremely sensitive.

Planets in aspect to the MC (Medium Coeli), or Midheaven, are also always in aspect to the IC (Imum Coeli). Posts are split up between MC and IC to show the different point of view that each of the angles brings to the natal chart. To learn about the flip-side of Neptune/MC, read Neptune/IC Aspects.

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  • Anthony S. Picco

    got a t-square myself… sun, mercury, venus, chiron + north node on the mc… uranus on the ic… neptune squaring ’em all from the 6th… learning to live with a strong neptune in this world can be… ah… tricky? especially with it in the 6th… square to ic, alcoholic mom… square to mc + 6th house placement, art + astrology career, and i lecture about self healing…

    • How do you get anything practical done, Anthony?

      • Anthony S. Picco

        saturn conj mars in scorpio trining that uranus helps… plus all that mc stuff i have is in capricorn

        • Anthony S. Picco

          and in true neptunian fashion, can you define what “practical” means…? (lol)

  • amoureuse

    Head in the clouds. Wandering around, dazed
    and confused. Well-known potheads. Lack of career direction. Wanting a
    career that is glamorous and frees you from everyday responsibilities.
    Dreams of being an actor. Wanting the kind of position in society that
    will free you from domestic life. Disillusion with the outer world. Disillusion when you realize that
    things aren’t ideal and that dreaming isn’t enough. Frustration through
    feeling that people never see who you are, and only what they want to
    see. Being confused about how you fit into the rest of society,
    especially with regard to your status and whether or not you could be
    perceived as a role model.
    ***hehehhe er… are you talking about me, mich? hhheheheh lol. i wonder why… i have neptune trine AC. didn’t know this would also be true to me. “Finding a way to blend your career ambitions with a desire to help
    others. Letting yourself drift along, aimless, dreaming and without
    distinct ambition.” –> heheh i got this on my forehead. hahahha “People may misinterpret you personality as being sweet and nice when it isn’t.” –> i always get indecent proposal.”your parents were in a position to give out charity and help others.
    Your family’s reputation is shady or shrouded in mystery. Your family’s
    reputation is that you are compassionate, kind-hearted and giving. Your
    parents could seem glamorous to you and you might idealize them –
    especially your mother.” –> this is true to me.

    • The “well known potheads” line was something I was going to take out. I couldn’t find accurate birth data for many of them, like Snoop Dogg, Seth Rogen, James Franco and a few others.

      Don’t you have planets in the 12th and 6th house too?

      • amoureuse

        6th house is packed. 3 planets ncluding other asteroids. mars, pluto saturn, vertex… my 12th house sign is aries. my AC is aries. i got trine neptune and aries. till now i cant define what i want to have a career.

  • Iago

    It’s weird to see how neptunian I am. Sometimes I just forget how powerful Neptune/Pisces is on my chart. This post is all about me.

    Neptune sextiles my Pisces midheaven. People don’t ever take me seriously, that’s a fact. I doubt anyone ever will, but it’s true that, deep inside, I “believe that I can be anything I want – I even can be president if I want to.”

    Incidentally, my mother had a party services agency. She gave up her very prominent banker career when I was born to organise child parties. She sketched all the scenery and decoration, created human-sized sculptures of cartoon characters and such. She used to bring fantasy to life whenever she worked on a party.

    As I never had the chance to know her properly, everything I know of her was told to me by people who were close to her. People usually say she was extremely kind and giving, to the point of self-sacrifice. Though I know people tend to exaggerate when they talk of someone they loved, that’s how I see her. For me she’ll always be this kind person, forever shrouded in mystery. I guess fantasy runs in my veins.

    • What a beautiful, fantastical painting of your mother, Iago. 

      Neptune/MC does have trouble being taken seriously. I wonder how some of the people on the celebrities list do it. 

    • atlast

      It’s hard to be taken seriously with neptune related to MC, right? I have a biquintile and Gemini MC, really, people always think I’m goint to cheat or fool everyone else, but I always have the best intentions – it’s really hard to change their mind about it!

      • Gemini MC with Neptune does seem like it would get a “sneaky” reputation. When I was a kid one of my teachers accused me of trying to kill a bird. The reality was that it was a baby bird and it couldn’t fly out of the water in a fountain. I had reached down to take it out of the water and my teacher yelled at me. I let go of the bird and by the time my teacher realized her mistake the bird had drowned.

  • LB

    “Being moved to pursue a career path that serves something other than your own agenda and ego.  Selfless career paths.  A career in the healing arts.  Giving up a ‘real’ career for a more spiritual path.  Finding a way to blend your career ambitions with a desire to help others.”

    Neptune biquintiles my MC and is conjunct its ruler, and these descriptions in particular, stood out to me.  Also, when I was much younger I wanted to pursue a career as a dancer.

    No one ever sees me accurately, at least not initially – my own husband thought he saw a halo above my head when we first met – hahaha.:)  What usually happens is, they either idealize me way out of proportion (when I was younger, people compared me to a “movie star”), or else equate my kindness with weakness and write me off as being of little consequence.  And I’ve known some pretty shady authority figures, negative Neptunian types I guess you could say, who  have seriously misrepresented themselves. 

    Oh, and my father had a reputation (not completely negative) related to his alcohol use; he had a ‘larger than life’ public persona which made him very attractive – people used to love to party with him.  For a while, I followed in his footsteps, but to a lesser degree.  Another good one, Michelle!

      

    • Neptune at the MC with a strong 5th house could indicate a real partier who gets idealized for it. Just some thoughts 🙂

      A halo, huh? 

      My ex-bf has the Moon conjunct Neptune conjunct MC. When we first met I thought I saw stars in his eyes.

      • LB

        Maybe your ex had stars in his eyes because he was gazing at you. 🙂

        My 5th house Aquarius Moon trines my MC – I suppose I was a real partier, back in the day.   It seems like such a long time ago.  Now I’m most “known” for my psychic abilities, and not at all for my partying, unless you count the  “Reiki Shares” I host. 🙂   

        • I like to think so 🙂

          The friends I’ve had with personal planets in the 5th went through some serious party phases.

          • LB

            My last comment (about gambling) was meant for you, not me, only I hit the wrong “Reply” button. 🙂

        • LB

          I was also a big gambler at one time, winning so much I used to have to claim it on my tax returns.  I once hit 2 Royal Flushes (on 2 consecutive nights), winning almost 10k!  Jupiter is square and parallel my Moon.

          • Wow and interesting!! Everything I’ve read concerning a Capricorn 5th house is the exact opposite of  what you’ve mention. It gives me hope that maybe I got some good luck. lol

            • LB

              Luck through LOVE given is a higher manifestation of the 5th.  Gambling, not so much. 🙁

              Check out the ruler of your 5th – my Saturn sextiles my 2nd house Venus(and NN/Sun), and trines my 8th house South Node and 12th house Uranus.  But even squares can yield positive results, especially when it comes to what we create through love.  It can still be a joyful house, even with Capricorn involved.  I don’t consider gambling “joyful”, btw.

              • It does seem like love given in the past is returned to me, though it seems to be delayed, it really does come back tenfold.  And I’m not religious. lol

                My 7th house Saturn conjuncts Mercury/Chiron, semi-sextiles 6th house Venus/Mean BML, trines my 3rd house Neptune/SN, opposes 1st house Uranus/Pluto, quincunx my 12th house Moon and squares 10th house Jupiter. Jupiter and Venus are trine and Part of Fortune is in the 5th in Capricorn.  

                I’m sure it’s joyful when ya win something like that! lol  I “gambled” one time on the quarter slot machine winning $81 on my last quarter out of $10 worth of quarters. I refused to spend (lose) any more than that. You’d thought I’d won a million dollars cuz I was laughing like a hyena. After cashing out, I stood around waiting for hubby (boyfriend at that time) and our mutual friend who was driving to finish playing. They both asked me why was I not playing more with some of my winnings. I told them, “I’d be damned if I was gonna give that $81 right back to ’em! 😉

                • LB

                  LOL on the “laughing like a hyena”!  I was pretty psyched too, only I still can’t recommend gambling, unless maybe (???) someone’s able to do it like you did.  My big gambling days are long over.  When my elderly grandparents were still alive, they’d go gambling every month or so, as a form of entertainment.  They’d play pennies and nickles, never spending more than $20 or $30,  including lunch.  And we can’t forget about Bingo, another beloved 5th house activity.

                  Seems like you have a whole lot of “serve or suffer” energy in your chart, MsFullroller.  It doesn’t surprise me at all that the love you’ve given has eventually returned to you tenfold.  Unselfish love as the ultimate and most rewarding gamble.  It’s Sunday, what can I say?

                  • ‘…Seems like you have a whole lot of “serve or suffer” energy in your chart,..”

                    Could you and anyone else who’d like to chime in on what “serve or suffer” supposed to look like? The reason I’m asking is that it feels like “serve and suffer” energy where I’ve frequently been left holding the short end of the stick. If I say no where I need to say no, which I’ve not done much of until these recent few years, I’m called selfish.

                    • LB

                      Serving isn’t the same as enabling and we all have the right to establish healthy boundaries and respect ourselves –  that’s part of the journey.   It’s also part of the journey to learn how to choose wisely and not allow ourselves to be influenced by unhealthy manipulations, or to be drawn into supporting false causes.  

                      For instance, I’m no longer attracted to friends, family or authority figures with a whole lot of self-created personal drama.  Instead, I choose to help those who are unable to help themselves, or those who are willing to take the steps, but need a little additional support.  Even if you’re not religious, remembering the words of the Serenity Prayer might help.  You’re not responsible for fixing the messes other people create for themselves, even if they’d like for you to be. 

                      In a way, this relates back to my Neptune/MC biquintile.  People are often surprised when I refuse to participate in their self-indulgent or self-destructive behaviors, I think because I can initially come across in such a Neptunian (nurturing and gentle) way.  I wasn’t always so good at discerning though; I’ve had to learn.  You’ll get there, MsFullroller! 🙂

                    • Thank you LB. I’ll definitely be saving this for future reference!

              • My Capricorn 5th house is ruled by Saturn and Saturn is trine Venus, which rules the 2nd.

                I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

                • LB

                  Good “luck” on that! 🙂

      • Michelle, I find all of this very interesting. Where can I further educate myself on astrology? I would very much like to schedule my meditations in tune with the cosmos, so to speak. Thank you!

    • ‘..No one ever sees me accurately, at least not initially.. or else equate my kindness with weakness and write me off as being of little consequence. 

      Same here but I do have Neptune quintile the Ascendant so I thought that was it.

      • LB

        I have Neptune septile the Ascendant (and conjunct its ruler), so maybe it is!

        • Neptune/Ascendant has flavors of that too – for sure.

  • Heather00

    Very true for me, I have pisces asc, with neptune conjunct my sag mc (6 degrees).  My father had a terrible reputation and despite my hard work and keeping my nose clean have inherited that reputation.  Few people really know me and EVERYONE thinks they know me!  They project a lot on me and I’m often dubbed the liar (natal neptune opposite natal moon 4 degrees).  Also, the drinker…haven’t been a big drinker since I was 21.  My career right now is the fuel industry but on the side and quite hidden from public, I am a practicing astrologer!  I would love to be a psychologist, so this post is right on for me!  Thank you!
    Heather

    • Thank you for sharing your insights, Heather. It’s hard when people don’t believe you, despite your best efforts.