Venus/Pluto Aspects

Posted on 3 Sep 2010 by Michelle in Planet Combinations • 72 Comments

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Transformational love. Intense artistic presence. Undermining love. Suffocating love. Depraved love. Controlling love. Attracted to controlling people. Attempting to control the people you love. Intense relationships. Intense artistic involvements. Transformation through artistic expression. Transformation through relationships. Buried treasure. Gold diggers. Hidden jewels. The depth of attraction. An intensely attractive person. Attracting situations that have the potential to be destructive. Overwhelming relationships. Sexual compulsion. Manipulation for power. Using sexual attractiveness to gain favors and power. Black Widow. Flirting with power. Dangerous flirtations. Addicted to love. Addicted to sweets. Addicted to pleasure. Addicted to money. Obsession with appearance. Compulsive manipulation. Heavy love. Heavy values. Powerful relationships.

Passionate likes and dislikes. Someone who is passionately liked or disliked. Artistic passion. The power of love. The power of love to heal and transform. The power of love to destroy and corrupt. Sociopath. Having a deep understanding of relationships. Having to make a choice between undermining or transforming your relationships. The underpinnings of a relationship. The underpinnings of cravings. That which lies beneath the surface of social interactions. Crises in relationship.

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tina

I have the trine at a less than 1 degree orb, and I can tick all the words you have written. I would also add love of revenge, or using beauty as revenge.
Anonymous

Venus at 28 Taurus in an out-of-sign but fairly tight trine Pluto at 1 Libra. This aspect is not useful for a male trying to attract other males for a relationship. It scares most males away. It must be carefully hidden. It’s more useful with women, who aren’t as scared by the intensity somehow. Too bad I’m gay.

Anonymous

I’m a Gemini asc. Taurus with Venus 12 in Taurus and Pluto 6 in Scorpio. I’m gay too. I’m not very obsessed with controling my partner, but i’m very giving and that ruins everything, usually.

I know how it all feels. So hard to detach emotionally from a partner :/

Anonymous

At least Gemini Ascendant adds a little lightness to all that seriousness. :) If’d only I’d been born a bit earlier I would have had a Gemini Asc too, which I would definitely prefer to Cancer Ascendant, personally. But I was barely born alive, (antiscion of Saturn conjunct my Asc!) so I’m willing to just be grateful. :)

Anonymous

Oh! but i’m Gemini! My asc. is Taurus! :)

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

Thank you for reading midio :D

Anonymous

Oh, you’re very welcome :D

http://www.facebook.com/christine.truong1 Christine Truong

The most remarkable experience I had with Venus-Pluto contacts was with a Scorpio (Cancer Rising, Moon in Capricorn) with a Venus-Pluto conjunction in Libra conjunct my Ascendant. I had only known him for a couple of days, but he seemed to be very controlling and possessive of me! He called/texted me all the time and made these assumptions about my relationships. Like he was so wise, and assumed he knew all about me. After a couple days of knowing me, he sent me a picture of his manly bits and when I called him to say, WTF, all he said was, “I just go after what I want.” I ignored after that, and he kept calling. While we were still talking and even after I ignored him, it was like he was so oblivious, so unaware of how weird he was. It was kind of arrogant, too!

I don’t know, I wish I could explain in greater detail just how Venus-Pluto he was…

I know a lot of people with Venus-Pluto aspects, but they all seem very self-aware of how they love. The reason why this guy came on so strongly was probably because his Venus-Pluto connection was smack on my Ascendant.
http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

Those are good- very apt.

You’ve probably heard that saying, “The best revenge is living well,” with Venus/Pluto the saying could be “The best revenge is looking good.”
Tina

I have the trine at a less than 1 degree orb, and I can tick all the words you have written. I would also add love of revenge, or using beauty as revenge.
http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

I’m realizing (as usual) that I didn’t touch upon some things, one being a heavy, potentially oppressive feminine power- in men or women. Do you think you have an intense female energy?

Anonymous

I’m not very feminine. But I do have a very intense Venus-Pluto energy. I started to talk about it and then realized it sounded pornographic and erased it. lol

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

oh, c’mon put it back!

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

Did he have a lot of fire, or Jupiter with a lot of aspects? I don’t think Venus conjunct Pluto by itself would give arrogance- maybe extreme confidence in his seductive charms (especially with both in Libra).

My boyfriend came on strong when I met him too- his Venus conjunct Pluto in Virgo is conjunct my ascendant. I basically thought he was either really into me, or a complete freak. I’m glad it was the first one!
http://www.facebook.com/christine.truong1 Christine Truong

You know, I’m not too sure. I had his chart a long time ago, but I guess I didn’t save his data. But I don’t know… Maybe his “charms” didn’t appeal to me. I like subtlety and I didn’t like that he assumed to know things about me. It got to a point where it felt like he was just making stuff up about me.

Anyway, my current boyfriend’s Pluto makes a conjunction to my Ascendant (although not as tight, his Pluto is 6 degrees away) too. Most of his Libra stuff is in my 12th or 1st house. His Jupiter is right on my Ascendant. Our relationship moved pretty quickly. I probably came on very strongly in the beginning, but I would say that he came on heavily later. But it “escalated” in a way that felt natural and mutual.
http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

It got to a point where it felt like he was just making stuff up about me.

That is weird. Too bad you don’t know the rest of his chart.
Paris

Michele,

I am very happy to see that you decided to post about Venus/Pluto! I have the conjunction in Scorpio, and indeed resonate very well with each and every tidbit posted above. As ruler of my Libra Ascendant, these dynamics play a major role in my life. The pictures you use to correlate to your posts are priceless. How do you go about finding these pictures that paint stories so well?

A bone of contention: a previous poster suggested arrogance as a side effect of Venus-Pluto. I tend to agree with this notion. Or at least, the impression of arrogance. This could tie in with the “self-love” and “self-obsession” tidbits offered in your post. For as long as I can remember, I have been perceived as arrogant, and to some, even obnoxious and offensive. One thing is for sure, I have always elicited strong reactions from others. People are typically very attracted or very repulsed. Most instances, I don’t even have to say a word! I have read that this is a direct result of Venus-Pluto. I can, say, however, that of the 5 Venus conjunct Pluto people I know, I perceived each as very arrogant at first glance. (2 Virgos, 1 Libra, 2 Sags) As a Sagittarius Sun, I can see what others speak of when they see me, but I see it as more confident than cocky.

And as for the “heavy, potentially oppressive feminine power,” I would like to ask you to delve further into that if you could. I would never consider myself feminine, but upon reading your statement, something about it resonated with me. Come to think of it, my ‘powers of attraction’ have always leaned more towards the way a woman would attract than a man. Unlike most of my male friends, I never found relationships (or even sexual flings) a problem to pursue. There was never a challenge. It is almost as if I can understand female energy just as well as male energy. Please shed more light on this “heavy, potentially oppressive feminine power”? :)

And if you’re debating about what aspect to cover next, Venus-Neptune is one I am eager to get my hands on! And also, if you’re searching for topics to discuss, the 36 decans would be very cool to delve into. As there isn’t too much information about them, hearing your take would be great.

Kudos to your blog! You’re great.

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

How do you go about finding these picturesI get most of the images from tumblr. I save hundreds of photos and keep them in mind when I write a post. arrogance as a side effect of Venus-PlutoI guess I tend to see it more as conceit than arrogance, but they are very similar. I really can’t argue direct observation- I will certainly keep this in mind. I think “feminine confidence bordering on conceit” could be a good phrase for this interplay.And as for the “heavy, potentially oppressive feminine power,” I would like to ask you to delve further into that if you could.I think I may keep this in mind for a future post, especially because I’m reading Living Lilith: Four Dimensions of the Cosmic Feminine right now (which is all about Black Moon Lilith and the other Liliths). Briefly though, it’s a subtle understanding of feminine power that a woman, or man, can wield with deftness and use for manipulation or control. I’ve noticed both men and women with the aspect can be oppressive and overwhelming in relationships, kind of sucking the air out of a relationship because they can be so overly involved in it. Men with these aspects have the potential (or desire) to understand women at a deep level. How much they are in touch with their own inner feminine power probably determines how much they are in touch with real women. Like Christine mentioned above, a man with this aspect might just think he understands women, or has some kind of power over them, but he doesn’t at all. I think men with these aspects also feed off the energy of women. They probably actually need to be in relationships with women or have an intimate understanding of feminine forces to feel their inner power (whether they are straight or gay).

Paris

Michelle,

First, my apologies for misspelling your name in the last post. Thank you for your responses. I will gladly wait for your Lilith post, as I have her on an angle (square my Ascendant) and feel she plays a big role in my life as well.

Eyes peeled,

Paris

Alohaastro

I think repulsion has more to do with Pluto itself, not necessarily the Venus/Pluto. In most cases I see where someone can’t stand someone else or doesn’t understand why someone doesn’t like them, it has to do the synastry between the 2 people and what Pluto aspects there are between them. People either love our Pluto and want us to express that power or they have a deep resistance, fear, dislike of our Pluto and show it somehow.

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

I tend to think that a person who generally has strong feelings of love or hate would have a Venus/Pluto aspect. There are some people who are naturally more polarized in their likes and dislikes- and it doesn’t matter who’s around because that’s just the way they are.

Brue

so… if i have venus in aquariuns – pluto in scorpio but don’t have a square by degrees, do i still have this aspect in my chart?

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

The answer is the same as with the Mars/Neptune post: you can probably relate to many of these descriptions because the signs are square, but they may not be major components of your personality because there isn’t an actual aspect.

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

I like your list :D I don’t know if Venus/Pluto can show bisexuality all by itself. I think it might show all-encompassing attraction (being attracted to everyone) which is a little different. The word bisexual always makes think of a split in sexual preference rather than a meshing of sexual preference.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NJ2WKJX3SH63U3JYMR5GOXUGOQ The One

ummm, being attractive to everyone… something I’ve notice a while ago is that I attrach so much more lesbian girls than boys, even though I’m hetero. But can this be related to venus in aquarius?

Michelle

I don’t know, that’s interesting. It’s hard to say. Venus/Pluto could be intense female attractions, but I haven’t heard from enough people who have experienced this to know what to look for.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SXWBU654EIQTRM2SUSIZZZZHQQ annjulieann

I have a venus sextile pluto aspect and this is something that’s natural to me. No effort. I don’t use my power in love consciously. I am only aware of the effects later on after I have crushed someone.

I know some who have the conjunction and square. The conjunction CONSCIOUSLY know they can MANIPULATE and CONTROL people. The square is desperate. But yeah, the square makes it more effective because of their desire to get what they want and make things happen. With my sextile, I’m just calm and LAZY. The squares are popular. As a sextile, I find squares (I know personally) pathetic (not in general, of course). I just wonder why should they obsess about power and status when it’s just too easy to get. No offense square people, you are popular and charming!

Jane

I also have Venus sextile Pluto.I always wished I had Venus conjunct Pluto,it just seemed like it was so much more intense compared to a boring old sextile.I thought sextiles and semi-sextiles just really didn’t pack much of a punch or have much of an impact,but I am going to re-think that.The energies are similar,it’s just more subtle.You don’t hit someone over the head with a Venus Pluto sextile–the intensity is there,you just don’t have to try so hard. Plus my Pluto is in the 12th house—
I have quite a few sextiles in my chart–almost a Grand Sextile with Jupiter being slightly out of orb in one aspect——I am gong to take a closer look at them!

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

Lol..really? I can imagine!
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NJ2WKJX3SH63U3JYMR5GOXUGOQ The One

I used to ignore this aspect because was a quintile (how fool i was), but now i read and there are so many things that i didn’t understood about myself that makes sense now.
Like, i have some friends that like intense relationship, well, i like it too, but i also wish the relationships was pleasurable, and I felt kind of guilty, because I didn’t know how could I have nice and intense relationship at the same time.
Don’t know if i could explain this well, I hope I did.

Another thing is that i’m easly addicted to anything, aand, I’m always transforming how I look, without makeup or even cutting the hair, people say I change (to the point of becoming beyond recognition) without I even do anything.

Michelle

That sounds like more than just Venus quintile Pluto. Do you have other Pluto aspects, or even Uranus aspects or 8th house placements?

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NJ2WKJX3SH63U3JYMR5GOXUGOQ The One

umm, I have pluto sextile sun and pluto opposition to mars. Uranus conjunct sun, also, but uranus really have something about it? My Uranos has nothing to do with my venus, but my venus is in aquarius.

Michelle

Venus in Aquarius might be it then. Changing so radically seems like a Uranian thing.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NJ2WKJX3SH63U3JYMR5GOXUGOQ The One

Also, can you explain a little how this quintile works? I really got confused when I look around the internet… Like, how the relationships works, because they say that quitile has to do with tallents and gifts, and they relate to relationships, but I don’t quite understand what they say. You can explain with one phrase, I’d be really thankfull :)

Michelle

Check out my post on quintiles and biquintiles. They have more to do with a style of doing things, and with talents and gifts, than with relationships. Where did you read about quintiles and relationships?

http://astrofix.net/2010/09/27/quintiles-and-biquintiles/

The One

sorry! totally forgot about it…

I read it at cafeastrology.com, where it says: “(…) You probably have friends and colleagues who have different socio-economic backgrounds because superficial differences are not important to you.”

Not about love relationships, but it is about friendshio anyway.

Michelle

Thanks.

http://twitter.com/aycelina Aycelina

I have venus contraparalell pluto… and this article especially negative sentences like (Attempting to control the people you love. ) briefs my approach to love unfortunately… But being a plutonian I try to transform… and I think I can do it..

Michelle

Attempting to control the people you love
It is unfortunate, and I can relate I have the opposition with Venus in the 8th and Pluto in the 2nd.
I don’t know if you use flower remedies at all, but I’ve found the combination of Chicory and Holly to be very helpful in letting go of controlling behavior toward loved ones: http://www.anandaapothecary.com/english-flower-essences.html

Zoa

For me Venus-Pluto means a love of intensity whether it is agony or ectasy I don’t care as long as the emotions are intense.
In relationship matters, I’ve experienced jealousy, possessiveness, pain, love and hate… I already know the dark side, and being through that I was transformed, as this is the very nature of Pluto. I am sure someday I will get to know the positive side of love.
Venus 11 Aries quincunx Pluto 12 Scorpio… a hard combination!

Michelle

Venus 11 Aries quincunx Pluto 12 Scorpio… a hard combination!
That is an intense combination.

For me Venus-Pluto means a love of intensity whether it is agony or ectasy I don’t care as long as the emotions are intense.
I agree. With Venus in Aries and Pluto in Scorpio you would probably rather be in pain than be bored.

Zoa

Yes, indeed. Aries Venus wants love to be playful and fun, like a game. But Scorpio Pluto can’t play the game, because it doesn’t take it lightly. For Pluto, it is all or nothing, a life-defining test.
I know, with a lot of hard work, there’ll be a day when they’ll understand each other.

Tobias

I have a venus trine pluto. Venus pisces and pluto in scorpio. And also venus sextile uranus and neptune. How does that play out, the thing I notice is that I tend to draw people to me and I want things to change but at the same time dont want to hurt other people.

Michelle

Thank you for sharing your thoughts Tobias.

Bill

Not sure if each of the paragraphs describe a different aspect, but that’s what I’m figuring..

Anyway, I have the Venus/ Pluto conjunction in Scorpio with a 0’36 degree orb, with both squaring my ascendant. Also have my Sun in Scorpio, but it’s too far away from Venus and Pluto to be in aspect with either of them.. I’d say that the energy is very prominent in me- I’ve been told that I have somewhat of a ‘dark charm’ and that mysterious/ intense vibe and personality, but that could also be attributed to having an extremely strong Scorpio/ Pluto theme in my chart, as well as having Neptune/ Uranus sextile Venus in my first house.

As far as the conjunction itself goes, I do find that I subconsciously restrain myself from getting too close to other people relationship wise. In general though, when it comes to friendships and relationships I get close to other people but they don’t end up getting as close with me in the respect that they never know as much about me as I know about them.. I guess you could call it manipulation, but it’s never with a bad intention- I’ve just always been like that.

I’m not a very controlling or manipulative person in general though, but I sure can turn it on when the time calls for it.

Michelle

Hi Bill,

These posts combine the good, the bad, the ugly and everything in between.

I would imagine with those aspects that you pick up on undercurrents in any relationship, and that, perhaps you emit more vibes that you are consciously aware of.

Bill

Ah, I see! This format you have going on for your articles is surely a lot more creative and informative than any boring text book description; everyone has their good and bad sides regardless of what the description of an aspect says about them, and I think the collage of words/ phases here portrays that perfectly.

As far as picking up on things unspoken and such… yes. I guess I just have a strong instinct, because my hunches on people’s feelings and incentives are usually spot on; regardless if I am close to them or not.. Seems that I get a little indicator in my head telling me how to phrase things, what not to say and all of that in any given situation. You can bet this comes in handy when getting insulted by someone though, since I never have to look too far for a weak spot. Sarcastic things in general tend to just roll right off my tongue though, but I blame that on my hard Mercury/ Uranus square ;)

I think you’re right about the vibes. People who KNOW people that I have met or have been friends with already seem to have a preset idea of what I’m like. Funny part is, if you were to ask anyone who’s known me about me, you probably wouldn’t hear many of the same things. I guess my first house Neptune really goes to work for me, since I can blend in pretty much anywhere and feel comfortable with it.. I used to hate being so impressionable, but at one point I went without contact to just about everyone for well over a year and I got more in touch with my true self. At some point during that I decided that I’m perfectly okay with it, as long as I’m still in strong internal contact with myself.

Sorry for these posts being so lengthy and off topic Michelle; I tend to get a little too carried away with explaining things!

Take it easy.
-

Michelle

my hunches on people’s feelings and incentives are usually spot on
that sounds right

Thank you for taking the time to share more.

Urumtsug

I have a somewhat more complicated situation. My Pluto is conjuncting Uranus and Mars in the 10th, Virgo. My Venus is sitting on my Pars Fortunae With Mercury, 2nd house, Sag, square to the above. Yes, my lovelife is a mess, as is my working life. Most of the time I actually have no work at all, let alone a relationship. If you add to this picture Chiron on Vesta in Pisces 4th hs and my NN in Gemini 8th hs, the result is a neat cross. How to interpret this? Destined to seek love which always eludes him? Destined to research the pathology of love? Destined to do an autopsy on love deceased? Brittle and painful love forcing you to transform yourself to find your destiny? Outcast of love? Babe repellent? Loves women in pain, transforming them through love? Exploring new horizons of love, because around here nobody wants to be caught dead with you? Lose a job, lose your girlfriend too? Lose your girlfriend, lose your job too? The obvious pervert, according to people who never even talked to you? Clueless in love? Relationships from hell? Fortunes undone by acts of cruel nature? Everybody will have an opinion about you, and it probably will have little to do with who you actually are? Cut off from love? Shot through the heart, but still the Zombie walks? Cyrano de Bergerac?

Michelle

With transiting Neptune getting ready to oppose all your Virgo planets I imagine that many of these issues will…disappear.

Urumtsug

That would be at 14,48 Pisces and a little beyond. This will also mean a transit of my natal Chiron, which is in Tight opposition of the stellium in Virgo. I’m looking forward to some heavy healing, but it will take a while before Neptune actually gets there. Now I’m just picking up the effects of Neptune transiting my natal Saturn at 1,07 Pisces. Admittedly, this does take the edge off losing yet another job yesterday. For that we can thank Transiting Pluto two degrees off natal Sun and Lilith, square transiting Lilith 3 degrees off natal Eris. Can you get more volatile than that?

Michelle

“Take the edge off” is a great way to describe a Neptune transit to the big baddies.

ggoma

Eek. Again Venus in the 2nd at Gemini 12 Quincunx Pluto in the 7th Rx at Scorpio 13.

Being able to handle anything in a relationship.
Taboo love.
Deep need to merge with someone yet
simultaneously staying at the surface.
“Till death do you part.”
Rebirth through artistic
expression.
Needing catharsis
and transformation through relationship.
Covering up depth and
intensity with superficial social displays.
Craving depth yet relating
in a way that avoids unpleasant or difficult interactions.

The need
for a relationship that continuously regenerates or transforms. The
inability to tolerate stagnancy in relationships.
Needing a love
that never grows stale.
Love
that does not grow, dies.
Hungry for love.
An insatiable desire for
pleasure and affection.
Love that doesn’t
wilt in the face of obstacles.

Unearthing real love.

I feel as though IMO Quincunx put a problem on the table that you feel compulsion to fix. Venus and Pluto…. Venus is rather more superficial and light – Pluto is all consuming. I feel as though I want these to merge and become one and it’s fascinating to see raw passion and electric energy and also just a light, airy relationship at the same time – both energies cannot combine. This is frustrating to me.
Swarmofgnats

Covering up depth and intensity with superficial social displays….Guilty as charged. Pluto in 2nd square Venus in the 11th–you know the whole Leo clusterf*ck going on there I think. I’ve been described as Jeckyl and Hyde before…In regards to oppressed feminine energy you mentioned in comments, I feel a tension and pressure
between appearing feminine superficially, and embracing true femininity… I find myself being attracted to very dark people, in both personality and appearance and there are DEFINITELY power struggles there. I suppose like anything else it’s a blessing and a curse…
amoureuse

i wonder why i didnt make a comment on this. i happen to have a trine venus in gemini and pluto in libra. i just realized how intense i am in an intimate relatioship. i cant be satisfied with a superficial one, it has to be very intense. and the transformative, speaks true to me. i kinda like being transformed. because it frees me. i dont kknow. uranus on the 8th.

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

Venus/Pluto doesn’t take relationships lightly.

amoureuse

i notice this now than before. i never had a light or breezy kind of relationship. it’s always traumatic in way and i get transformed at the end. there’s always pain. forexample, my recent. though he did not hurt me intentionally, i still get hurt one way or another. our friendship is destroyed and he doesnt want to talkto me anymore. second, i always feel like he/ they were doing things to make me jealous. example, their posting sweet nothings to their new gf or with him, for his ex gf. they always seem to be more hurt than i am but i am hurting as well. i feel like they are doing it on purpose. though this recent guy i told you i am not entirely sure because he is a bit deceptive. maybe not to others but more so to himself (sun square neptune). maybe they think iam apathetic and that i forget about them easily and that i am strong for this? i dont think i am. i always get affected and think about revengeful thoughts. who wants to be rejected? i cant understand it actually since i got a trine. mineis not a negative aspect.

Simon

Interesting post. I like the image of that female with red dress and what looks like Scorpio legs. That’s a good symbol for Venus & Pluto conjunct.

I have Venus perfectly conjunct Pluto in Scorpio in my 5th House, so all this makes perfect sense to me.

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

Thank you for reading, Simon. You must have stories to tell with that conjunction in the 5th house!

Simon

Yeah, those stories are just violent bloodbath struggles for power and control. LOL. All my relationships (romantic & otherwise) have ended up tragically & dramatically. However, each relationship brought me to a new height in consciousness, so I gotta take the good with the bad, just like everything in life. I don’t take anything lightly, everything is life or death. It causes a lot of suffering but, as we all know, it is only through suffering that we are able to elevate to new heights. With Pluto conjunct Venus in Scorpio in 5th House, everything must be under my control. I remember how I directed, produced, wrote and editing my final thesis film in school, because I did not want anybody to have any control or power over my creative work, while everybody collaborated with others on their films. Losing control is a huge fear with this aspect. Relationships must be intense and that’s more than most people in this superficial society can handle. I can cut ties with people in a second, if I sense they even thought about betraying me or have wronged me even slightly. I’m also usually the bearer of bad news, so most people don’t want to be around me. I expose the darker side of things (Moon & Mars in 8th House), which makes me very unpopular, but I have realized that these darker truths must be exposed and I’m just the vessel for that exposure. Having this placement is like being a boogyman, nobody wants to face you consciously but you have enormous power stirring up their unconscious garbage. In other words, your power lies beneath, although on the surface it might seem like you have no power at all. That’s Pluto … gotta love Pluto. He stirs sh*t up and doesn’t apologize for it.

amoureuse

each relationship brought me to a new height in consciousness, so I gotta take the good with the bad,
- i am still learning to take the good with the bad… its either i got traumatized or i traumatized myself. venus trine pluto here. i also believe that thoe people with this aspect cud only get along with others who has the same bec we understand each other Having this placement is like being a boogyman, nobody wants to face you consciously but you have enormous power stirring up their unconscious garbage. In other words, your power lies beneath, although on the surface it might seem like you have no power at all. That’s Pluto … gotta love Pluto. He stirs sh*t up and doesn’t apologize for it. – stirring up their unconcious garbage makes us pretty dangerous to others esp when the outward persona is “innocent.” i have this juno aspecting my asc that gves an air of innocence, and yet deep inside i know whats going on behind every person… they have no idea what they have gotten into. ..and my social networking site or even my blog is starting to look like a garage can. and youare right, i dont apologize for any of it. they can all suck it up. ”

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

Well said, amoureuse.

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

Thank you for elaborating!

Transiting Pluto will enter my own 5th house soon and I’ve been curious to hear more from people who that position natally. I already have a need for creative control over my own projects, so this should be interesting.

The 8th house is unpopular, isn’t it? It’s no wonder it squares the 11th and the 5th.

Simon

Michelle, be ready to take everything seriously once Pluto enters your 5th House. Although it will be in Capricorn, so I don’t know how that changes things exactly from Pluto in Scorpio. I can only tell you what Pluto in Scorpio in 5th House feels like. Pluto is a deep/dark planet so when it enters into a house that is suppose to be all fun and play then you can imagine what happens: those things take a darker/serious tone. People tell me all the time that I’m way too serious and it doesn’t help that I have Virgo Sun with Capricorn Moon. Letting things go and taking it easy is not in my vocabulary, sadly.

If you’ve given your creative energies away or spread it too thin, then Pluto will ask you to pull it together, to not sacrifice your individuality, to stand firm in your uniqueness. It will also give you a boost of willpower, where you will see that you are (at a very deep level), the creator of our own experience, it will reveal that to you, through your unconscious. You will see yourself as the director, actor and producer of the movie that is called your life. You will see that it’s all your doing, everything that happens, at a very deep level: that everything is you, it always was.

8th House is about depth, so obviously most people fear it, because most people are high on superficiality. Any kind of depth scares the sh*t out of them. (Pardon my french).

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

Very nice, Simon. I like it. I’ve already been feeling the pull to put more of myself into everything.

luiza

Venus in aquarius quintile pluto in scorpio! So intense is this aspect for me, but not hard to deal. The most problem of my life probably is when I’m tottaly alone. Also, It’s true that art can make me feel in a way that no other experience can.

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Lucky you having the quintile rather than the square!

luiza

Indeed! I can’t imagine myself with this square, I’d be so destructive! Both to family and friends.

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I know a few peeps with the square – it seems rather difficult.

luiza

I’ve got a friend with the conjunction, I see how much she goes to sffering to ecstasy in a nonsense way. But I love her so much that I consider her like a soulsister, maybe because of the sun in the same sign and pluto conjunction…

http://astrofix.net/ Michelle

They like high highs and low lows.

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